3.5 One of these Modules, DM needed.

[VennDygrem]

They wouldn't have only a +1 weapon, they'd just get +1 free, and pay for whatever else they want above that.

Nothing about the statement "A Samurai of 20th level or lower" indicates a level 20 Samurai, as opposed to a level 1 Samurai/19 Barbarian any more or less than the initial statement of minimum +1 per 3 levels.

A Samurai 1/Barbarian 19 can hardly be considered as a Samurai more than as a Barbarian. I'm sure you'd say they're both, but my statement stands in that a one-level dip is barely an investment in that class. Traditionally, when a class refers to a PC's level without clarifying for character level, it means class level. If Frank has gone on record that it's supposed to be character level, then that's fine, otherwise the interpretation is up to the DM.

All of this is moot if osle allows the character level interpretation versus class level.

The above is not important, don't bother with it.

[Kaelik]

They wouldn't have only a +1 weapon, they'd just get +1 free, and pay for whatever else they want above that.

No, they would get a +1 weapon, and if they wanted to have a +2 weapon, they would have to first pay for a +1 weapon, then pay for a +2, and would be exactly like a Barbarian 20 except have no Samurai class features at all. (Okay, the weapon would still be Ghost Touch.)

That's the point. A Samurai 1/Barbarian 19 is still a Samurai for the purpose of the level 1 class feature "Ancestral Weaponry" which is a Samurai class feature.

So when a class ability says "a Samurai of Xth level" it's referring to the fact that you have to be a Samurai to have that class feature.

Saying "Traditionally, when a class refers to a PC's level without clarifying for character level, it means class level." is begging the question. How do you know that's what it means in those situations, except that your made your judgement previously, and are now imposing it on every instance.

Frank doesn't have to go on record saying that it's character level for me to know that the RAI matches the RAW of character level, because he also made the Soulborn class with a class feature:

Soulblade (Su): With a Swift Action, a Soulborn can call into existence a weapon of blue soul fire. The soulblade generally looks like a culturally appropriate bastard sword, but it may appear otherwise in the hands of Soulborn characters from other cultures or with different combat styles. The Soulblade is a light weapon that does a d10 damage and has a threat range of 18-20. It has an enhancement bonus equal to one third of the character's level (round up). While out, the soulblade sheds light like a torch, and it vanishes the moment that it leaves the Soulborn's hand (though it can be recalled at a later time with a Swift Action). This weapon does Force damage and therefore ignores Hardness and is Super Effective against Incorporeal opponents.

Which only scales differently at all (no cap, round up instead of down) because it uses the Book of Gears magic item scaling system as a base, which didn't exist when Samurai was written.

I know the guy well enough to know that he doesn't think you should arbitrarily punish multiclassing warriors, since he was posting warrior multiclasses as the only viable warrior builds back in 3.0.

[VennDygrem]

I deleted what I had written out here because I realized I was being unnecessarily argumentative. This isn't something that needs to be argued. Tome classes, as Kaelik mentioned, are designed to fix perceived weaknesses in the core ruleset, and honestly there's nothing particularly gamebreaking about having a free +3 weapon enhancement, especially when compared to other class features (like spellcasting).

I wasn't trying to get into an argument, but it turned into one nonetheless. That wasn't my intention, so it's gone. We can move on easily now.

[Mixster]

Yeah, I can live with or without a +2 extra to attack and damage.

[VennDygrem]

Really, it's fine. I'm not setting out to sabotage my fellow players. Though just so you're aware, Everfull mug is 200 gp in MIC, not 150. A minor detail.

[oslecamo]

I'll let the samurai sword count your full character level, but only raw damage/hit bonus.

BTW, once your characters are made the campaign will probably run on www.plothook.net.

Any other tecnical doubts for me I may have missed? The last posts just seem to be you arguing rules semantics.

[Mixster]

Well it's not a sword, it's a spiked chain, but I suppose it's the same deal.

[VennDygrem]

I'm just trying to finish spending spirit points on my equipment, then I'll be all done, I think.

[bearsarebrown]

Just to be clear, Tome armors or standard armors?

[VennDygrem]

Standard. The only things osle is using from tome is classes and feats, to my understanding.

[bearsarebrown]

Custom Weapon of Legacy? Never tried it before. Figured it was worth asking about. Looked over actually creating one. The abilities are boring.

[oslecamo]

Yeah, that gotta be a serious candidate for worst 3.5 book ever.

Anyway, made a request for our campaign thread on plothook.net, should be up soon.

[VennDygrem]

Cool, I'm looking forward to this game!

[Kaelik]

Plothook forum is indeed up.

[Mixster]

Do you have a link?

[oslecamo]

Do you have a link?

Here

Please move all further campaign-related stuff to the link above. Remember to post your character links on the apropriate thread. Fluff also has been corrected due to some naming confusion.

Altough not necessary, making separate acounts for your character and your person is recommended on plothook as it's a RP heavy site.

[VennDygrem]

Are bears and thistle almost ready to post your characters over at the campaign forum?

[bearsarebrown]

I'm at my parents until tonight, won't be able to port character over. But it's almost done.