lianightdemon
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« on: September 29, 2010, 06:50:28 PM » |
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So say I'm a level 20 sorcerer and I chose all my spells and feats to be better for combat but now I'm done my adventuring career and want to build a stronghold for a little while but later continue adventuring.
So I get a hold of a psion and have him psychic reform all my feats and spells and pick up new spells and feats that allow me to craft magic items and build a stronghold, including leadership and landlord.
Would I now get the cohorts and followers and use them to help build them and the 800k. Then after construction is done what happens to them? After I lose access to the feats. Do I still keep my stronghold, and could I do it again to get another 800k?
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2010, 07:13:18 PM » |
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Landlord is the result of having in-game "connections". Presumable your stronghold would be repossessed by your rich aristocrat uncle if you lost the feat, and given back when you regained it.
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lianightdemon
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2010, 07:28:48 PM » |
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make it mobile and kill your uncle, then flee
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 07:31:32 PM » |
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If you want to face the stronghold of a guy who has pocket change comparable to your WBL, be my guest.
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archangel.arcanis
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 07:32:48 PM » |
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Basically yes. It is a mechanical reward with an RP cost. So it isn't very effective, just like limiting clerics based on RP it only works when the DM goes through extra effort which isn't often.
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Clerics and Druids are like the 4 and 2 in 42. Together they are the answer to the ultimate question in D&D.
Retire the character before the DM smacks you with the Table as the book will feel totally inadequate now.-Hazren
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Bozwevial
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 09:46:13 PM » |
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Yeah, I imagine there'd be auditors showing up to seize the place. Also, your DM might scowl at you. There may be scowling.
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Benly
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2010, 11:46:21 PM » |
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If you're retraining out Leadership and Landlord at the same time, you don't need auditors or a rich uncle repossessing it. Your army and cohort no longer follow you, and they still live in and around the castle you built. This is what we call either retirement or a coup.
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Talore
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 12:29:24 AM » |
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Yeah, I imagine there'd be auditors showing up to seize the place. Also, your DM might scowl at you. There may be scowling.
Hint: much more deadly than you may think. |
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« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 01:45:10 AM » |
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Yeah, I imagine there'd be auditors showing up to seize the place. Also, your DM might scowl at you. There may be scowling.
Hint: much more deadly than you may think. But not as deadly as when they smile ... |
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archangel.arcanis
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 11:48:47 AM » |
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Yes those scowls will turn into smiles once the DM sees this: Here's a neat trick : Take a lowly 1st level spell from SpC, Hail of Stone. Emulate it from one of the 22nd level Shadow Miracles of my Shadowcraft Red Wizard (Sanctum Spell+Earth Spell+Circle Magic ftw!) for automatic 220% reality, and fire off Reserves of Strength to uncap it. We're at (current version is sitting at a level 12 Node I believe, and a final CL of 150 something...we'll say 150 after RoS) 150d4*2.2=330d4*1.5 empowered for free (thanks Circle Magic!)=445d4 effectively. Average damage of 890...Rocks fall, you die! Now, lets have some fun with it. We're a proper SCM, and packing a constant Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis, giving Shadow spells a maximized effect for free. 1780 damage. Twinned? 3560 damage. Sculpt it now. And Widen it. 40' radius sphere of death! Rocks fall, everyone dies! No save, no SR. Still not done. Remember that node level? We're at +5 metamagic right now. A regular wizard can do this (granted, far less damage, but doable) without Circle Magic or anything else. But we like our No Save Orbital Bombardment <3 Now chain it. Hi, I'm DM NPC X! ROCKS FALL, EVERYONE DIES! now has stats  You can literally take out every deity in Deities and Demigods if they were on the battlefield together. From a single Shadow Illusion that most likely began life as a cantrip. |
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Clerics and Druids are like the 4 and 2 in 42. Together they are the answer to the ultimate question in D&D.
Retire the character before the DM smacks you with the Table as the book will feel totally inadequate now.-Hazren
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lianightdemon
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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 05:38:23 PM » |
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Do all your games end up with the GM trying to kill the players, instead of trying to tell a story line?
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Bozwevial
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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 07:33:49 PM » |
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Do all your games end up with the GM trying to kill the players, instead of trying to tell a story line?
No, some of them end when we order pizza. |
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lianightdemon
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 07:45:14 PM » |
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why not continue again after, or eat pizza while playing?
Any other way to get enough gold for a stronghold or should my sorcerer just stick to her rope trick spell?
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Benly
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2010, 09:45:59 PM » |
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Do all your games end up with the GM trying to kill the players, instead of trying to tell a story line?
Most of my games don't have players trying to cheese huge piles of wealth for free via psychic reformation on feats that grant functional wealth.  |
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PlzBreakMyCampaign
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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 03:34:21 AM » |
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If you want to face the guy who has pocket change comparable to your WBL, be my guest. I enjoy this idea and would definately allow my players to psy ref out the landlord feat, just so I can watch the ensuing chaos. |
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