Cannotthink
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« on: September 23, 2010, 08:37:31 AM » |
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I'm trying to make a new character right now, specifically a cloistered cleric. I plan on playing my character with spontaneous divine casting and gaining access to as many domains as possible. Going off of human's 'other forms of faith' in Races of Destiny, some humans worship entire pantheons rather than individual gods. I'd still have to be the proper alignment to actually acquire spells from certain deities anyway. I asked my DM to make sure it's completely fine with him and he has approved this. The only spell I definitely know I will be taking is Substitute Domain. It will be my tool for actually praying to the various gods to grant me whatever power is necessary for the situation. Otherwise I'm not completely sure what else would be good choices for spells, Domains to start with for that matter anyway. I'll definitely have the knowledge domain, for obvious reasons, and probably some of the domains that allow me more class skills to spend ranks on more interesting things. I will be worshiping the Draconic Pantheon as described in Races of the Dragon. I'm almost certain I'll be playing as true neutral, that is unless I get a convincing argument why some other dragon has better domains. I'll have access to the following domains, largely through Substitute Domain: I'll be starting off at level 4. 5400gp to work with; completely open for feats, race, spell selection; flaws and traits are usable. I've got access to most books. |
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2010, 08:54:02 AM » |
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Based on races of the dragon page 4's "automatic qualification" clause, you can enter "singer of concordance" without meeting the normal prereqs if you're a dragon. It offers a couple of pretty good domains.
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Benly
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2010, 11:08:04 AM » |
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While it's usually thought of just as a way to get a buttload of domains, this is pretty much exactly what the Sovereign Speaker PrC (Faiths of Eberron) was intended to model: a priest serving an entire pantheon equally and getting benefits from all of them. You might ask your DM if you can adapt it to the draconic pantheon.
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juton
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 01:59:05 PM » |
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Cloistered Cleric is the way to go definitely, don't trade in any domains for any devotion feats. Your list of domains available is awesome, being able to choose them is very powerful, the only bits of advice regarding that would be pick a few good prestige classes so you can get some extra domains (that you can swap out).
Divine Metamagic:Persist is the most obvious route, with all the choices you have for domains you should have lots of options. Human, Strong Heart Halfling or anything else with a bonus feat so you can start out with DMM. A feat you may want to keep in mind is Heretic of the Faith (Faiths and Pantheons I believe) that lets you be two steps away from your deity, you can get every alignment by going true neutral.
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Mixster
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 02:33:56 PM » |
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Consider going cloistered cleric into Church Inquisitor, that nets you 4 of those domains by level 6. You can advance into Prestige Paladin and onward to ordained champion or into the sovereign speaker, or even just continue church inquisitor into contemplative.
But I always recommend going prestige paladin when you are starting as a cloistered cleric, since it gives you full profiencies. At no real loss.
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Paradox
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2010, 03:00:55 PM » |
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He'd have to be lawful Good to get into Prestige Paladin.
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Cannotthink
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2010, 03:38:52 PM » |
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I'll see if I can find Heretic of the Faith. It sounds rather interesting, wouldn't be a bad way to nab a few more decent domains.
I'm thinking of using an Illumian with the Naen Hoon symbols for persistent spell rather than divine metamagic. I'll probably be fine with having four extended persisted spells on at a time for the most part. Probably start off with an extended persisted Spell Flower to save touch spells for a couple days.
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2010, 04:34:55 PM » |
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I'll see if I can find Heretic of the Faith. It sounds rather interesting, wouldn't be a bad way to nab a few more decent domains.
I'm thinking of using an Illumian with the Naen Hoon symbols for persistent spell rather than divine metamagic. I'll probably be fine with having four extended persisted spells on at a time for the most part. Probably start off with an extended persisted Spell Flower to save touch spells for a couple days.
Power of Faerun. |
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Cannotthink
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2010, 05:01:24 PM » |
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Found the feat, thanks. I believe that would nab me another dozen domains to swap between.
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2010, 06:36:51 PM » |
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Core Clerics can have 2 Philosophies.
Eberron Clerics have a PrC that lets in almost all of the Eberron "powers" or whatever the fluff calls them.
So yeah, technically a kosher CO-build would have to justify getting more "free" domains.
But only technically.
Clerics of specific deities can easily add more domains; so can Philo-Clerics.
Expanding spell list is over on the Handbooks board.
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Cannotthink
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2010, 05:35:44 PM » |
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This is what I have so far for the character. I'm probably going to prestige into Divine Oracle and Contemplative at some point, but this Is where I will be starting.
Illumian Cloistered Cleric 4
Worships the Dragon Pantheon
Str 12/ Dex 16/ Con 14/ Int 13/ Wis 16/ Cha 16
2 Flaws
Feats
Heretic of the Faith
Versatile Caster
Persistent Spell
(open)
Domains: Envy (swapped from Knowledge Domain via Heretic of the Faith), Planning, Trickery
Power Sigils: Naen, Hoon
Spells
0
(Open)x6
1
Spell Flower
(open)x2
2
Substitute Domain
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 02:34:33 AM » |
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I question the validity (nevermind the wisdom) of using Heretic of the Faith to swap out the Knowledge domain of a Clositered Cleric, since the Knowledge domain wasn't one selected by you, but rather one you just have.
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Cannotthink
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 10:06:14 AM » |
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My DM is fine with me doing this anyway. He'll be even more fine once I get a back story finished. So, right now its mostly valid by DM fiat.
The feat implies that you can only swap domains from those to which you actually have access into those that your deity simply does not have. Strictly speaking, no I did not 'select' the Knowledge domain; Cloistered Cleric 'automatically grants' the domain to me. In a broader sense, I selected the domain by willingly selecting the class.
If you want to be really strict about it, no domain is a valid selection to be swapped; Clerics 'choose' domains, the feat only works with ones that were 'selected'.
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BruceLeeroy
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2010, 12:59:53 PM » |
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http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9419.msg317431#msg317431A build I just put the finishing touches on that has access to 7 domains, without the use of Sovereign Speaker. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff, but it looks like what you're angling for (maybe a little more melee focused than you want, though. That's just feat selection.) Swap out any of the domains for Planning Domain if you're going the Persist route.
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2010, 03:16:09 PM » |
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If you want to be really strict about it, no domain is a valid selection to be swapped; Clerics 'choose' domains, the feat only works with ones that were 'selected'.
If you want to be that strict about it, the only spontaneous spellcasters in a core-books only game are clerics and druids |
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BruceLeeroy
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2010, 03:52:47 PM » |
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My DM is fine with me doing this anyway. He'll be even more fine once I get a back story finished. So, right now its mostly valid by DM fiat.
The feat implies that you can only swap domains from those to which you actually have access into those that your deity simply does not have. Strictly speaking, no I did not 'select' the Knowledge domain; Cloistered Cleric 'automatically grants' the domain to me. In a broader sense, I selected the domain by willingly selecting the class.
If you want to be really strict about it, no domain is a valid selection to be swapped; Clerics 'choose' domains, the feat only works with ones that were 'selected'.
if you want to be strict about it, DnD doesn't function.  |
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saethone
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2010, 04:26:44 PM » |
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This is what I have so far for the character. I'm probably going to prestige into Divine Oracle and Contemplative at some point, but this Is where I will be starting.
Illumian Cloistered Cleric 4
Worships the Dragon Pantheon
Str 12/ Dex 16/ Con 14/ Int 13/ Wis 16/ Cha 16
2 Flaws
Feats
Heretic of the Faith
Versatile Caster
Persistent Spell
(open)
Domains: Envy (swapped from Knowledge Domain via Heretic of the Faith), Planning, Trickery
Power Sigils: Naen, Hoon
Spells
0
(Open)x6
1
Spell Flower
(open)x2
2
Substitute Domain
Doesn't persistant spell require extend spell first? |
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Shadowhunter
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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2010, 05:55:23 PM » |
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Doesn't persistant spell require extend spell first?
Yes, but Planning Domain gives Extend Spell as a bonus feat. It's just not listed, for some reason. |
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