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Amechra
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« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2010, 03:36:17 PM »

I'm actually pretty sure you could do it; only you would have to use circle magic.
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« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2010, 06:34:46 PM »

Rodar (FF): Invlunerability, grants immunity to damage from sources that aren't bludgeoning.

Temporal Drake (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/mm/20031122a): Recurrance, when you die, it summons a copy of you that has one round to act freely. I generally recommend using that round to revive yourself.

Abillin (MoF): Passive State, turns you into a puddle of water. Immune to everything that wouldn't hurt a puddle of water.

Naztharune, rakshasa (MMIII): Gets Sneak Attack = to 1/2 HD as an Ex. ability. Very nifty, good with multiple independent attacks. (This adds sneak attack to EVERY bite from your hydra form. Assuming your HD20 and hit a lot, that'd be around +100d6.)

Other Comboes:
Regeneration + Immunity to Subdual = total damage immunity from sources that do not overcome your regeneration.

Spell Immunity + Spell Absorption = Spell absorption comes from the Spellwarped template. Any spell you resist is absorbed and bonuses are given to your stats. Spell Immunity is really easy to get via infinite variety.

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« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2010, 07:03:18 PM »

Forgive the double post. I felt it necessary to answer all these suggestions of gaining spells.

NO SPELL, Even Shapechange, grants the use of a creatures spell like abilities. No ability on the MTrans, including Infinite Variety, grants them either. Some monsters have spells as (Su.) abilities. (Like the Genie has Three Wishes (su.)) Those can be copied by Shapechange, but as they are not Extraordinary, they cannot be copied by Infinite Variety.

There. Unless the sources specifically says that they gain casting as a super natural or Extraordinary ability, then you won't be using those spells.

Best hope to use Spell-like abilities is to go with a Planar Shepard. They can do it for creatures of their chosen plane.
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« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2010, 07:13:56 PM »

Casting isn't a spell-like ability.
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« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2010, 07:14:06 PM »

Forgive the double post. I felt it necessary to answer all these suggestions of gaining spells.

NO SPELL, Even Shapechange, grants the use of a creatures spell like abilities. No ability on the MTrans, including Infinite Variety, grants them either. Some monsters have spells as (Su.) abilities. (Like the Genie has Three Wishes (su.)) Those can be copied by Shapechange, but as they are not Extraordinary, they cannot be copied by Infinite Variety.

There. Unless the sources specifically says that they gain casting as a super natural or Extraordinary ability, then you won't be using those spells.

Best hope to use Spell-like abilities is to go with a Planar Shepard. They can do it for creatures of their chosen plane.

The problem is that some bits of rules text have spellcasting itself as a (Ex) ability, which leads the overeager to conclude that all spellcasting is an (Ex) ability which is acquired by Polymorph and the like.

Which, y'know. Godspeed if you can sell your DM on that, I guess.
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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2010, 07:23:55 PM »

Forgive the double post. I felt it necessary to answer all these suggestions of gaining spells.

NO SPELL, Even Shapechange, grants the use of a creatures spell like abilities. No ability on the MTrans, including Infinite Variety, grants them either. Some monsters have spells as (Su.) abilities. (Like the Genie has Three Wishes (su.)) Those can be copied by Shapechange, but as they are not Extraordinary, they cannot be copied by Infinite Variety.

There. Unless the sources specifically says that they gain casting as a super natural or Extraordinary ability, then you won't be using those spells.

Best hope to use Spell-like abilities is to go with a Planar Shepard. They can do it for creatures of their chosen plane.

The problem is that some bits of rules text have spellcasting itself as a (Ex) ability, which leads the overeager to conclude that all spellcasting is an (Ex) ability which is acquired by Polymorph and the like.

Which, y'know. Godspeed if you can sell your DM on that, I guess.

Well in those cases yes. Technically, as written, you will be able to gain spell-casting. Though, at that point, why not just use Assume Supernatural Ability (Genie) and get infinite free wishes. Perhaps you could use those wishes to wish yourself levels of wizard...Something like:
1) I wish my next wish to be interpreted exactly as I intended.
2) I wish I had an extra level of wizard.
3) (Use this wish to undo the last two in case something goes horribly wrong).
By text, this is also legal. Or you could be Pun Pun. But I digress.
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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2010, 10:58:06 PM »

Even if you gained spellcasting from polymorph etc, you'd still have to prepare those spells. Sure, you can do it if you persist the spell and rest 8 hours and spend an hour to prepare...
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« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2010, 09:51:44 AM »

Even if you gained spellcasting from polymorph etc, you'd still have to prepare those spells. Sure, you can do it if you persist the spell and rest 8 hours and spend an hour to prepare...

I know they're forgettable, but sorcerers exist. Wink

Edit: or in this case, creatures with Sorcerer casting.
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« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2010, 10:40:30 AM »

Even if you gained spellcasting from polymorph etc, you'd still have to prepare those spells. Sure, you can do it if you persist the spell and rest 8 hours and spend an hour to prepare...

I know they're forgettable, but sorcerers exist. Wink
ZOMG they do?

Wait, yeah...kobolds...they do exist, don't they. Wink Is there another kind of sorcerer?
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« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2010, 02:22:03 PM »

Even if you gained spellcasting from polymorph etc, you'd still have to prepare those spells. Sure, you can do it if you persist the spell and rest 8 hours and spend an hour to prepare...

I know they're forgettable, but sorcerers exist. Wink
ZOMG they do?

Wait, yeah...kobolds...they do exist, don't they. Wink Is there another kind of sorcerer?

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« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2010, 02:37:47 PM »

Well in those cases yes. Technically, as written, you will be able to gain spell-casting. Though, at that point, why not just use Assume Supernatural Ability (Genie) and get infinite free wishes. Perhaps you could use those wishes to wish yourself levels of wizard...Something like:
1) I wish my next wish to be interpreted exactly as I intended.
2) I wish I had an extra level of wizard.
3) (Use this wish to undo the last two in case something goes horribly wrong).
By text, this is also legal. Or you could be Pun Pun. But I digress.
Because the Efreet's Wish ability is Spell-like, not supernatural, for one. And for another, you can just call one via Planar Binding. Have him grant you one wish, use one wish for whatever he'd want as a payment, and then have him use the third wish to call another Efreet by emulating Planar Binding...
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