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« on: November 06, 2010, 02:32:02 AM » |
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my balance-fu sucks, so i really need help with figuring this out.
IMO the adaptation is not really cut and dry because of the differences of the magic and psionics systems, and applying the swift abjuration, and arcane boost abilities to psionics.
would anyone care to give it a try?
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RelentlessImp
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 07:11:32 AM » |
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Requirements:
BAB: +5
Feat: Skill Focus (Concentration)
Manifesting: Must be able to manifest 1st-level powers, including at least one psychokinesis power.
Special: Must be proficient with at least one martial weapon.
Extended Psychokinesis: You can apply the extend power feat to any power of the psychokinesis school that provides a numerical bonus without an augmentation cost. You do not need to know the feat, nor do you have to expend your psionic focus.
Swift Psychokinesis: You can apply the quicken power feat to any power of the psychokinesis school that provides a numerical bonus without an augmentation cost. You do not need to know the feat, nor do you have to expend your psionic focus.
Power Boost: Beginning at 4th level, you gain the ability to burn power points to empower your martial abilities. As a swift action, you can burn a number of power points equal to the cost of manifesting a power to grant yourself the following insight bonuses for 1 round:
(List)
The bonus you gain is equal to the level of a power you would be able to manifest by burning the appropriate amount of points; ex. 1pp for a +1 bonus or 17pp for a +9 bonus.
Martial Psionicist: At 5th level, your manifester level equals your BAB, unless it would otherwise be higher.
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« Last Edit: November 06, 2010, 08:50:18 AM by RelentlessImp »
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 07:54:00 AM » |
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Martial Psionicist: At 5th level, your manifester level equals your BAB, unless it would otherwise be higher.
What a good PrC for my Ardent. |
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RelentlessImp
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 08:29:30 AM » |
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Martial Psionicist: At 5th level, your manifester level equals your BAB, unless it would otherwise be higher.
What a good PrC for my Ardent. Ardent's already abusable. That's the way it's worded for the Arcane version, hence its inclusion in the Psionic adaptation. Being able to boost your ML to ungodly levels doesn't mean this adaptation's overpowered; just that Ardent can be. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 08:35:45 AM » |
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Ardent's already abusable. That's the way it's worded for the Arcane version, hence its inclusion in the Psionic adaptation. Being able to boost your ML to ungodly levels doesn't mean this adaptation's overpowered; just that Ardent can be.
I have nothing against your attempt, it looks equal to arcane version and that's fine fro me. I just figured, that I would like to play ardent/psionic abjurant champion/some full bab prc. No offense. |
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 08:48:25 AM » |
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Requirements:
BAB: +5
Feat: Skill Focus (Concentration)
Manifesting: Must be able to manifest 1st-level powers, including at least one psychokinesis power.
Special: Must be proficient with at least one martial weapon.
Extended Psychokinesis: You can apply the extend power feat to any power of the psychokinesis school that provides a numerical bonus without an augmentation cost.
Swift Psychokinesis: You can apply the quicken power feat to any power of the psychokinesis school that provides a numerical bonus without an augmentation cost.
Power Boost: Beginning at 4th level, you gain the ability to burn power points to empower your martial abilities. As a swift action, you can burn a number of power points equal to the cost of manifesting a power to grant yourself the following insight bonuses for 1 round:
(List)
The bonus you gain is equal to the level of a power you would be able to manifest by burning the appropriate amount of points; ex. 1pp for a +1 bonus or 17pp for a +9 bonus.
Martial Psionicist: At 5th level, your manifester level equals your BAB, unless it would otherwise be higher.
So you still have to expend your psionic focus to modify your powers? And you need to have feats in order to do it? |
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 08:49:42 AM » |
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Ardent's already abusable. That's the way it's worded for the Arcane version, hence its inclusion in the Psionic adaptation. Being able to boost your ML to ungodly levels doesn't mean this adaptation's overpowered; just that Ardent can be.
I have nothing against your attempt, it looks equal to arcane version and that's fine fro me. I just figured, that I would like to play ardent/psionic abjurant champion/some full bab prc. No offense. None taken, just figured you were making some comment about Ardent's abuses. Also, "Psionic Abjurant Champion" is a bit unwieldy. How about "Psychokinesis Champion"? "Kinetic Champion"? No, that second one sounds too much like he collects too many Kinex or whatever they're called... So you still have to expend your psionic focus to modify your powers? And you need to have feats in order to do it?
Good point, Prime, forgot about that part of Metapsionic feats. I'll go edit. Also, no, and no. Should be equal to AbChamp in all ways. |
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sir_argenon
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 10:24:19 AM » |
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thanks RelentlessImp! the entry requirement feat should be Combat Manifestation, which is an equal psionic copy of the combat casting feat that is used for abjurant champion. i was so wondering about the wording for the extended/quicken psychokinesis abilities. being that psychokinesis is so much more offensive than abjuration, just giving free quickens to it would be teh brokenz ... great job. your wording, doesnt allow dispel power, however, because there is no "numerical bonus" that it gives... converting this ability is what gave me the most problems also. i dont know how to word it elegantly, while saying that it can only work on non-offensive powers. |
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RelentlessImp
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 12:36:20 PM » |
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thanks RelentlessImp! the entry requirement feat should be Combat Manifestation, which is an equal psionic copy of the combat casting feat that is used for abjurant champion. Except both Combat Casting and Combat Manifestation blow chunks, when Skill Focus (Concentration) does its job but better. i was so wondering about the wording for the extended/quicken psychokinesis abilities. being that psychokinesis is so much more offensive than abjuration, just giving free quickens to it would be teh brokenz ... great job. your wording, doesnt allow dispel power, however, because there is no "numerical bonus" that it gives... converting this ability is what gave me the most problems also. i dont know how to word it elegantly, while saying that it can only work on non-offensive powers.
Giving numerical bonuses is the property of buff spells, which is mostly what Abjuration spells do. Adding that bit in keeps it from working on anything offensive. |
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