Blackshade10
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« on: August 12, 2010, 12:25:32 PM » |
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I want to make a fighter-ish character that uses a flail. Very simple. Could be a Duskblade, a War mage, a fighter, or anything really. Prefer not a Barbarian since I have one of those already. I'm open to suggestions!  |
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2010, 12:43:32 PM » |
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Human Duskblade 6
Str 16, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 8
Feats
Power Attack (1), Combat Expertise (H), Combat Casting (B), Knowledge Devotion (3), Improved Trip (6)
Skills Ranks
Concentration 9, Knowledge (arcana) 9, Knowledge (dungeoneering) 8, Knowledge (the planes) 9, Knowledge (religion) 8
Skill Tricks
Collector of Stories
Spells
7/day - Ray of Enfeeblement, Resist Energy, Shocking Grasp, Swift Expeditious Retreat
4/day - Dimension Hop, Touch of Idiocy
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Blackshade10
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2010, 12:45:10 PM » |
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Ooooo Neat.
Question: Improved Disarm. When you disarm someone, do they provoke an AoO to pick their weapon back up?
Cause I imagined this pattern: Disarm. They try to pick up the weapon. Oh, hey AoO: Trip. Tripped. Oh hey! Free attack.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2010, 12:47:46 PM » |
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Assuming anyone is dumb enough to try that yes.
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Blackshade10
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 12:48:21 PM » |
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Assuming anyone is dumb enough to try that yes.
Sweeeeeet. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 01:04:26 PM » |
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You got to have the spare AoOs though.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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Blackshade10
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 01:06:27 PM » |
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Does the free attack granted by the Trip considered an AoO?
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 01:08:32 PM » |
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Does the free attack granted by the Trip considered an AoO?
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Blackshade10
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2010, 03:44:09 PM » |
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Excellent....  Oh, and does anyone know an exotic flail? Like a bastard sword level? I get an exotic weapon for free. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2010, 03:47:28 PM » |
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Excellent.... Oh, and does anyone know an exotic flail? Like a bastard sword level? I get an exotic weapon for free. Dire flail. Flind bar. The flindbar is in MM3 I think, and IIRC it was pretty decent. |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Blackshade10
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2010, 03:49:48 PM » |
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Mind telling me where the second is from?
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2010, 07:55:29 PM » |
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Dire Flail is in the SRD. Flindbar is nice if you get EWP for free. 19-20 threat range and a free disarm attempt on a threatened crit, even if you don't confirm. I think the free disarm attempt may only be for Flinds who use it though. I only have the stats from the reprinting in the Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde campaign, so I may be missing something.
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zaulsiin
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2010, 08:19:20 AM » |
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Dire Flail is in the SRD. Flindbar is nice if you get EWP for free. 19-20 threat range and a free disarm attempt on a threatened crit, even if you don't confirm. I think the free disarm attempt may only be for Flinds who use it though. I only have the stats from the reprinting in the Shattered Gates of Slaughtergarde campaign, so I may be missing something. Not sure when Shattered Gates... was published, but there are stats for the flindbar posted on the Wizards site, circa September 2004: Flindbar: A flindbar resembles a pair of chain-linked iron bars, not unlike a flail. This one-handed exotic weapon costs 30 gp, deals 2d4 points of bludgeoning damage, has a threat range of 19-20, deals double damage on a critical hit, and weighs 2 pounds. Flinds treat a flindbar as a martial weapon instead of an exotic weapon.
The wielder of a flindbar gains a +2 bonus on opposed attack rolls made to disarm an enemy (including the roll to avoid being disarmed if such an attempt fails). If a proficient wielder threatens a critical hit, he can make a free disarm attempt against that opponent before confirming the critical hit (this disarm attempt doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity).
Now this is posted within a statblock for a Flind, but there's no other indication that the "free disarm" would apply only to Flinds. It simply says "a proficient wielder". Edit: I should probably note that that excerpt posted on the Wizards site comes directly out of Monster Manual 3, as PhaedrusXY pointed out above. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2010, 08:59:08 PM » |
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If our going for a feat heavy build, Fighter or Psychic Warrior for example, then Dire Flail Smash is a good choice. Appropriate DC vs Daze is always awesome
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2010, 01:04:14 PM » |
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If you're going for a feat heavy flail using build, Fighter or Psychic Warrior anyone with a flail for example, then Dire Flail Smash is a good great choice. Appropriate DC vs Daze is always awesome. Fixed that. |
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Blackshade10
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2010, 01:08:18 PM » |
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Mind telling me what book Dire Flail smash is from?
Also, should I use a Dire flail when I'm not using TWF?
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2010, 01:17:10 PM » |
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Dire Flail Smash, Champions of Ruin pg.17-19.
Dire Flail Smash
You have mastered the style of fighting with the dire flail and have learned to deal thunderous blows with the weapon.
Prerequisites: Str 13, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (dire flail).
Benefit: If you hit the same creature with both ends of your dire flail in the same round, it must make a Fortitude saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 your character level + your Str modifier) or be dazed by the pain for 1 round.
Special: A fighter can select this feat as one of his fighter bonus feats.
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2010, 07:41:26 PM » |
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+1 Aptitude Keen Small Heavy Flails and the Feat Lightning Maces imo.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2010, 07:51:11 PM » |
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And we all know he needs to go warblade over fighter any day, right?
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2010, 11:26:50 PM » |
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He may need a 2 level dip into fighter and/or PW for the feats if he intends to use Dire Flail Smash, as it is a bit feat intensive. +1 Aptitude Keen Small Heavy Flails and the Feat Lightning Maces imo.
If your using Aptitude then you should just save your feats and go with Boomerang Daze as it can have a way higher DC. 10+ 1.5*Strength Mod+ Weapon Enhancement+Knowledge Devotion+Weapon Spec line+D-Damage reduction |
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