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« Reply #100 on: August 11, 2010, 08:18:51 PM »

If you want poetic justice, have one of its greatest strength's be a weakness; its undead nature renders it vulnerable to turning.  I've got archived a 20 level cleric based build which can reliably turn a demi-lich.  It was from the 2004 CO contest at 339, which is now lost to board wipes, but if a character 10 levels lower can insta-kill it...

Why use turning, if you can use rebuking?
Is there an equivalent to Greater Turning?
because intelligent undead get a resist check every day.
Interesting houserule.

Because that's exactly what this is: a houserule.  RAW, there is no check to resist control.  They just are controlled.

A Demilich is not.  Turning is a supernatural ability.  They are immune.
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« Reply #101 on: August 11, 2010, 08:55:56 PM »

If you want poetic justice, have one of its greatest strength's be a weakness; its undead nature renders it vulnerable to turning.  I've got archived a 20 level cleric based build which can reliably turn a demi-lich.  It was from the 2004 CO contest at 339, which is now lost to board wipes, but if a character 10 levels lower can insta-kill it...

Why use turning, if you can use rebuking?
Is there an equivalent to Greater Turning?
because intelligent undead get a resist check every day.
Interesting houserule.

Because that's exactly what this is: a houserule.  RAW, there is no check to resist control.  They just are controlled.

A Demilich is not.  Turning is a supernatural ability.  They are immune.
They also have +20 Turn Resistance, so make of that what you will.
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« Reply #102 on: August 11, 2010, 09:21:50 PM »

With the dark companion ACF?
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« Reply #103 on: August 11, 2010, 10:02:46 PM »


Have you read blood magus's prereqs?
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Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.
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« Reply #104 on: August 11, 2010, 10:12:26 PM »

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« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2010, 10:23:41 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: August 12, 2010, 12:27:03 PM »

try this .... One-Shot in one Round...NO Save


Turning Cleric:

Human
Cloistered Cleric 21

Domains:
Animal
Sun
Knowledge

Feats:
Knowledge Devotion
Nymphs Kiss
Improved Turning :+1 Turn lvl
Quicken Turning
Exalted Turning: +3d6 untyped damage
Light of Aurifar :+2d6 fire damage
Empower Turning: +2d6 Turn Damage, -2 turn check
Divine Energy Focus: +2 Turn Chk, +2 Damage roll, +2 turn lvls higher for Destroy
Positive Energy Aura


Equipment:
21000gp +2 Heavy Mace with combined power of Rod of Defiance and Scepter of the Netherworld
Rod of Defiance: This white cudgel-like rod can be used as a +2 heavy mace. All undead in a radius of 30 feet of the wielder who holds the rod of defiance are treated as if they had –4 turn resistance.
Moderate necromancy; CL 10th; Craft Rod, class ability to turn or rebuke undead; Price 13,000 gp.

Scepter of the Netherworld: This plain steel baton contains several glyphs incised along its length that promise power over the undead. Anyone who holds the rod and has the power to turn or rebuke undead is treated as if three levels higher than his actual level when he uses his turning or rebuking power. Moderate necromancy; CL 10th; Craft Rod, class ability to turn or rebuke undead; Price 9,000 gp
9000gp +1 Sacred Bracers
10100gp +1 Sacred Mithral Chain Shirt
9205gp +1 Sacred Darkwood Buckler
Sacred: A suit of armor or a shield with this quality assists only wearers who have the ability to turn or rebuke undead. Sacred armor or a sacred shield increases the owner’s effective level for the turning check by +2. Armor and shields with this ability are always specific to a deity and predominantly feature the god’s holy symbol.
Moderate conjuration; CL 8th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor,ability to turn or rebuke undead; Price +2 bonus.
750gp Flametouched Iron Holy Symbol (Eberron Campaign Setting, 750 gp)+1 effective turning level
60000gp Redeemed Darkskull
Redeemed Darkskull: When a darkskull is redeemed, tracings of silver forming holy symbols and words appear in its surface. It emanates a hallow effect rather than unhallow, still with no additional spell effect tied to it.
Moderate evocation; CL 9th; Craft Wondrous Item, hallow, redeemer must be good; Price 60,000 gp; Cost to Redeem 2,400XP; Weight 5 lb.
11000gp Phylactery of Undead Turning
Phylactery of Undead Turning: This item is a boon to any character able to turn undead, allowing him to do so as if his class level were four levels higher than it actually is.Moderate necromancy [good]; CL 10th; Craft Wondrous Item, 10th-level cleric; Price 11,000 gp
3000gp Lyre of the Restful Soul
Lyre of the Restful Soul:
When played, this lyre weakens the ability of undead creatures to resist turning or rebuking.The drummer makes a DC 15 Perform(string instruments) check. If successful, all undead within 60 feet take a –4 penalty to turn resistance (which can lower their effective HD for turning to below their normal HD, but not lower than 1) for 10 rounds.
Moderate necromancy; CL 10th; Craft Wondrous Item, able to turn or rebuke undead as a 10th-level cleric; Price 3,000 gp;Weight 5 lb.
800gp Ephod of Authority
EPHOD OF AUTHORITY
Price (Item Level): 800 gp (3rd)
Body Slot: Torso
Caster Level: 5th
Aura: Faint; (DC 17) necromancy
Activation: —
Weight: 2 lb.
This silver vestment is set with a circle of nine semiprecious gemstones surrounding a raised, silver hemisphere. While wearing an ephod of authority, your effective cleric level is treated as one higher than your actual level for the purpose of turning (but not rebuking or commanding) undead.
Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, turn undead, possession of a piece of the set.Cost to Create: 400 gp, 32 XP, 1 day.
9000gp Moonfriend Ring(Expedition to castle Ravenloft) +3 level for Turn Checks..
3000gp Talisman of Undead Mastery
TALISMAN OF UNDEAD MASTERY
Price (Item Level): 3,000 gp (7th)
Body Slot: — (held)
Caster Level: 3rd
Aura: Faint; (DC 16) necromancy
Activation: Swift (mental)
Weight: —
This tarnished silver skull fi ts comfortably in a human hand.
A talisman of undead mastery benefits any character capable of either turning or rebuking undead. The talisman has 3 charges, which are renewed each day at dawn. Spending 1 or more charges increases your effective cleric level for the purpose of a single turn or rebuke undead check, which must be made before the end of your turn.
1 charge: Increase effective turning level by 2.
2 charges: Increase effective turning level by 3.
3 charges: Increase effective turning level by 4.
Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, command undead. Cost to Create: 1,500 gp, 120 XP, 3 days.


Turn check .... assuming Cha 30

1d20 +18 (10 Cha + 2 Knowledge(Religion) + 2 Nymphs Kiss +4 Sacred(Darkskull))

will max out with a roll of 3 or better .... will assume rolling a one ...Turns at Cleric Level +3 +Modifiers :

21 Cleric
+3 Turn Check
+4 Talisman
+3 Ring
+1 Ephod
+4 Phylactery
+1 Holy Symbol
+6 Armor(combined total)
+3 Scepter
+1 Imp Turning
+2 Divine Energy Focus

49 HD ... to Destroy ..... or 24HD destroyed if they come into contact with Positive Energy Aura ..... this is actually higher ... he can subtract 4 from thier Turn Resistance then give a -4 Penalty to turn resistance .... thus he can affect 57HD Undead ... Destroyed with Greater Turning

this is not even maxed out yet .... it is easy to do Far More


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« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2010, 02:05:14 PM »

The problem isn't entirely destroying it I think.  I'm pretty sure the problem is getting rid of his several thousand Phylacteries because he used the Epic Spell that was discussed earlier, was in a Faerun book.
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« Reply #108 on: August 12, 2010, 02:40:53 PM »

Maybe an epic spell specifically designed to locate and summon all phylacteries on the planet to the caster? Specifically designed to break through wards.
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« Reply #109 on: August 12, 2010, 03:34:36 PM »

The problem isn't entirely destroying it I think.  I'm pretty sure the problem is getting rid of his several thousand Phylacteries because he used the Epic Spell that was discussed earlier, was in a Faerun book.
Hit hit with spark of life via factotum, then knowledge devotion away his connection to his phylacteries.
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« Reply #110 on: August 12, 2010, 03:39:56 PM »

I'm assuming you meant Knowledge Affiliation, there.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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« Reply #111 on: August 12, 2010, 03:55:49 PM »

Drunken Master(improvised weapons)/Psionic user. If there's more than one of them, then it's not unique, and can be called with call weaponry. Just call weaponry: Bob's Phylactery after it's dead and use a recharge setup to call them all.
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« Reply #112 on: August 12, 2010, 05:07:03 PM »

I'm assuming you meant Knowledge Affiliation, there.

where is that from?
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Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.
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« Reply #113 on: August 12, 2010, 05:07:45 PM »

Complete Champion... I think.
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« Reply #114 on: August 12, 2010, 05:18:13 PM »

Complete Champion... I think.
Correct, top tier ability for one of the affiliations.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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« Reply #115 on: August 15, 2010, 02:18:43 AM »

Wait wait.  Best idea ever.

Use his skull as ranged ammunition.  If you hit with him, he's destroyed!
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« Reply #116 on: August 15, 2010, 05:04:26 AM »

Wait wait.  Best idea ever.

Use his skull as ranged ammunition.  If you hit with him, he's destroyed!

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Eh, the wizard have more money than them combined, he could in theory just use all his money on a fleet of trained attack mules, but then we aren't playing 3.5 but zergling rushing in Starcraft instead.
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« Reply #117 on: October 03, 2010, 02:24:00 PM »

we found another method as well in the tomb of horrors adventure... there is that gem that grants a wish, which then destroys the wisher and anyone named in the wish. if you do your research ahead of time, that could be rather extensive.
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« Reply #118 on: October 04, 2010, 12:38:28 AM »

we found another method as well in the tomb of horrors adventure... there is that gem that grants a wish, which then destroys the wisher and anyone named in the wish. if you do your research ahead of time, that could be rather extensive.
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« Reply #119 on: October 04, 2010, 12:43:59 AM »

It's a diamond made out of carbon from death notes.
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