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« on: August 01, 2010, 08:32:16 PM »

Chain Spell (Complete Arcane 76)
Chain Spell states this, among other things:

"Any spell that specifi es a single target and has a range greater than touch can be chained so as to affect that primary target normally, then arc to a number of secondary targets equal to your caster level (maximum 20). Each arc affects one secondary target chosen by you, all of which must be within 30 feet of the primary target, and none of which can be affected more than once. You can choose to affect fewer secondary targets than the maximum.  If the chained spell deals damage, the secondary targets each take half as much damage as the primary target (rounded down) and can attempt Refl ex saving throws for half damage (whether the spell allows the original target a save or not)."

Let's say I Chain a damage spell.  Normally it would do 40 damage (the primary target didn't save), but how much would it do to secondary targets?

Split Ray (Complete Arcane 83)
Split Ray makes an extra ray to fire at the original target or another target.  If combined with Chain Spell (assuming it could), does this mean each target could be hit twice?

Mass Fire Shield (Spell Compendium 92)
Let's assume I use Ocular Spell and Chain Spell to make this affect my party.  Would secondary targets deal less damage with this shield?

Note that fire shield does not directly deal damage.  Fire shield states:

"Any creature striking you with its body or a handheld weapon deals normal damage, but at the same time the attacker takes 1d6  points of damage +1 point per caster level (maximum +15). This damage is either cold damage (if the shield protects against fire-based attacks) or fire damage (if the shield protects against cold-based attacks). If the attacker has spell resistance, it applies to this effect."
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2010, 11:02:33 PM »

Why would you need to chain mass fire shield it affects everyone within 30 ft.

and chain spell says
Chain Spell (Complete Arcane 76)
Chain Spell states this, among other things:

"Any spell that specifies a single target and has a range greater than touch can be chained so as to affect that primary target normally, then arc to a number of secondary targets equal to your caster level (maximum 20). Each arc affects one secondary target chosen by you, all of which must be within 30 feet of the primary target


So since MASS fire shield has more than 1 target idk if you can even chain it. Also..... they both have a range of 30 ft.

So....
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2010, 11:06:27 PM »

Ocular Spell limits Mass Fire Shield to one target, while Chain Spell lets it arc anyway. Either Endaire's trying to double the effectiveness of MFS or extend it to still more people...I think. I'm a bit confused.
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2010, 12:13:54 AM »

I want to Persist mass fire shield.  My DM allows ray spells with fixed ranges to be Persisted; hence, Ocular Spell.
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 02:46:41 AM »

afaik rays cant be chained cause they have no range, they are just a ray
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2010, 04:11:14 AM »

This is the same DM that plays with loaded dices?
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2010, 09:00:17 AM »

afaik rays cant be chained cause they have no rangetarget entry, they are just a ray
I think that's what you meant.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2010, 09:02:10 AM »

afaik rays cant be chained cause they have no rangetarget entry, they are just a ray
I think that's what you meant.
might been that , yeah

something was there with chain spell, just wasnt sure anymore what it was Smile
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