Forced Dream, the Psionic God?

[CantripN]

Take a look at Forced Dream (MoE 104). Now, please explain to me how is that not the single most powerful thing you'd ever seen? Let a Wizard redo his failed Save-or-Die or replace it? Allow a Blaster to probe a target's defenses with a Swift Action? Redo an Ubercharge as a Swift? It's uses are limitless, and if you somehow found a way to Chain it (Magic Mantle  )...

Just from reading this power, I now want to learn how to play a Psionic PC. I know the rules, more or less, but have NEVER played one. Assume no infinite PP abuse, nor Metamorphosis, although things like Synchronicity, Sense Danger, Linked Power and Schism are allowed. I'd heard much about the Power Link Embedded Shards (MoE 115)...

We don't use XP in our campaigns, so anything requiring that is unavailable, while Material Components are obtainable at x50 cost as a Focus if I so choose, and "stunted" casters are fixed - a Wilder would have an inbuilt +1 Manifesting, for example. Only 1 Flaw is allowed, and it must be a sizable Flaw, about twice or thrice as strong as an UA Flaw (must also matter to your PC).

Assuming I want to be a GOD, just like a proper Wizard, how do I accomplish that?

Race: Kalashtar?
Class: Psion (Telepath)? Erudite (Spell-to-Power)?
PrC: Quori Mindhunter? The Fluff is cool, but I'm not sure it's worth losing a ML.
Feats:
Flaw -
1st -
1B -
3rd -
5B - Telepathy (ACF)
6th - Mindsight
9th -
12th-
15th -
18th -

Powers Known:
1st - Synchronicity, Vigor, Precognition (Defensive),
2nd - Ego Whip,
3rd - Forced Dream, Sense Danger, Dispel Psionics, Touchsight, Project Quori Spirit (?),
4th - Schism, Energy Adaptation,
5th - True Seeing,
6th - Temporal Acceleration,
7th -
8th -
9th - Affinity Field, Timeless Body

[rubberduck]

you can do better that that manifest forced dream on someone then time hop or even better time hop mass

now you have quicksave !
go adventure and after x hours when the one with both powers finishes his time travel he can reset the whole day.
since NO TIME has passed for him while time-hopping^^ its still his round which he can restart with forced dream

[rubberduck]

i cant figure out a good way to post excel sheets in this so here you go!

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1 psion 1 0 0 0 2 4 2 2 3 bonus feat, discipline psionic body, psicrystal affinity, overchannel 1 Matter Agitation1, Vigor1, Crystal shard1, (expansion1)
2 psion 2 1 0 0 1 4 2 6 5 1 Syncronicity1, Grease1, (Astal Construct1), (grip of iron)
3 psion 3 0 1 1 0 4 2 11 7 expanded knowledge (expansion) 2 Larva Flayers2, Ego Whip2.
4 psion 4 1 0 0 1 4 2 17 9 2 Energy Stun2, Damp Power2
5 psion 5 0 0 0 0 4 2 25 11 bonus feat expanded knowledge (astral construct) 3 Time Hop3, Forced Dream3
6 psion 6 1 1 1 1 4 2 35 13 midnight augmentation +1essentia 3 Energy Cone3,  Hustle3
7 anarchic init 1 0 0 0 2 4 2 46 15 chaotic surge 4 Metamorphosis4, open chakra psionic4
8 anarchic init 2 1 1 1 1 4 2 58 17 anarchic grace 4 Death Urge4, Psychic Reformation4
9 psion 7 0 0 0 0 4 2 72 19 shape soulmeld (phase cloak) 5 Psionic Revivify5, Psychofeedback5
10 psion 8 1 0 0 1 4 2 88 21 5 Metaconcert, True Seeing, Psionic
11 psion 9 0 1 1 0 4 2 106 22 6 Temporal Acceleration6 Restoration, Psionic6
12 psion 10 1 0 0 1 4 2 126 24 bonus feat bonus essentia +2, expanded knowledge (grip of iron) 6 combat transformation6, Desintegrate, Psionic6,
13 psion 11 0 0 0 0 4 2 147 25 7 Fisson7, Soul Crystal7
14 psion 12 1 1 1 1 4 2 170 27 7 Decerebrate7, Moment of Prescience, Psionic7
15 psion 13 0 0 0 0 4 2 195 28 Linked power 8 Teleport, Psionic, Greater8, Fusion8
16 psion 14 1 0 0 1 4 2 221 30 8 Hypercognition8, Iron Body, Psionic8
17 psion 15 0 1 1 0 4 2 250 31 bonus feat Psionic meditation 9 Affinity Field9, Metamorphosis, Greater9
18 human paragon 1 0 0 0 2 8 4 adaptive learning free
19 human paragon 2 1 0 0 1 8 4 280 33 bonus feat free 9 Microcosm9, Shadow Body8
20 human paragon 3 1 1 1 0 8 4 311 34 ability boost +2 9
Lvl Class Lvl Bab Fort Ref Will hd bsp pp pk Class features Feats pl
, 20 10 7 7 15 92 52 396,5 35 Bonus PP = key ability modi?er × your manifester level × 1/2

my last psion build kinda nice you might wanna drop metamorphosis and if you do you should also drop grip of iron and expansion
which will free up more feats!

midnight augmentation really rocks and i really do suggest you use that on astral construct
so one of those free feats could now become boost construct and you will have level9 astral constructs at 9th level which is crazy good
make use of natural invisibility extra attack and rend

another nice trick is summon a bunch of flayer larva and metaconcert with them for +10 to your save dc's
stuck at a door? time hop it into the future

energy stun is pretty awesome all by itself
later on you can use linked power syncronicity with itself and hustle and psionic meditation to get 3 standard actions next round
which I can use to attack 3 times as a hydra with 12 heads and my psicrystal can do the same.
if you do not want to polymorph/metamorphosis just blast!

Material Components are obtainable at x50 cost <- you don't care psionics have never material components

if you need a good start at level 1
go with psioinc body and psionic talent

human psion 1:

3 feats (1 psion,1 human,1flaw)
=> psionic body, 2x psionic talent =  2hp/psionc feat +5pp

so you start with :
4(hd)+con+6 =  10+con hitpoints (no other caster will have that)
2+int+5 =         7+int    powerpoints (at least 7 powers per day,again no other caster will have that)

get the best armor you can find since asf is not for you!

anarchic initiate is a nice prc for the psion since you get the benefits but not the drawbacks with overchannel (until you take more than two levels of it)

go to town

[Azrael]

I believe the autosave was in sharing forced dream with your psicrystal, casting some form of status (I don't know the exact power) on it (so no matter where the party is, it knows the general status of them) and when it comes out of its hop it can activate the forced dream if it needs to.

However, here's the thing that always bothered me with this, it only seems to work in the short-term, not hours later; time hop last's rounds/per level.

[Negative Zero]

I believe the autosave was in sharing forced dream with your psicrystal, casting some form of status (I don't know the exact power) on it (so no matter where the party is, it knows the general status of them) and when it comes out of its hop it can activate the forced dream if it needs to.

However, here's the thing that always bothered me with this, it only seems to work in the short-term, not hours later; time hop last's rounds/per level.

The trick in question used Hyperconscious' Persistent Power metapsionic. Now, we could just use an Ardent with the Magic Mantle.

[Azrael]

I dunno, I'm with Phaedrus (or whoever was making this argument, I forget) on this one. I really don't think you can apply metamagic feats to psionics using the Magic mantle...

[awaken DM golem]

... or Dragon #349 psiotheurgist stuff.

Wasn't Forced Dream part of T_G's Dirty trick #5 ?

[Phoenix00]

I dunno, I'm with Phaedrus (or whoever was making this argument, I forget) on this one. I really don't think you can apply metamagic feats to psionics using the Magic mantle...

Magic Mantle (I am one of many people arguing it) definitely falls under the category that the RAW allows it (though you need someone way to remove the normal cost of metamagic such turn undead, anima mage, spelldancer, etc)  whether magic mantle allow metamagic is a whole another matter.

In other words it is up to your DM and your personal playgroup.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

... or Dragon #349 psiotheurgist stuff.

Wasn't Forced Dream part of T_G's Dirty trick #5 ?

Yes. I have links and fixed it in my dirty trick handbook fixes.

Honestly magic mantle is worse enough (meaning just as bad as full transparency) without metamagics. Every DM I know of uses the psionics-get-screwed transparency where SR blocks powers but spells bypass PR, etc

[Endarire]

Power Link Shards convinced my DM to stop DMing.  See here.  27d6 energy missile damage at level 7 followed by metamorphosis and some other things (schism, Linked catfall-synchronicity) got me enough actions that I probably would have soloed a fight meant to kill us, had the DM not ragequit mid-battle.

And my cohort had White Raven Tactics ready.  How convenient.

[rubberduck]

However, here's the thing that always bothered me with this, it only seems to work in the short-term, not hours later; time hop last's rounds/per level.

yes indeed early on you can only quick-save a fight as time hop is in fact only rounds/level
BUT:
later you can use Time Hop,mass which has a duration of hours/level
that way you can quick-save a entire day

I believe the autosave was in sharing forced dream with your psicrystal, casting some form of status (I don't know the exact power) on it (so no matter where the party is, it knows the general status of them) and when it comes out of its hop it can activate the forced dream if it needs to.

this wont work that easy forced dream is a mind affecting power and constructs(like psicrystals) are immune to it
unless you metamorphosis it into something else... of course

[rubberduck]

sry double post
del plz

[Azrael]

I guess if you have pp recharge you can fission a clone and have him do it...or you are just willing to accept losing half your pp.

Also, just because I don't feel like looking, what power would you use to discern (at any distance) whether or not your original body is still alive. Remember, it has to be instantaneous because you only have one round to act before using forced dream's ability becomes useless.

[Garryl]

I guess if you have pp recharge you can fission a clone and have him do it...or you are just willing to accept losing half your pp.

Also, just because I don't feel like looking, what power would you use to discern (at any distance) whether or not your original body is still alive. Remember, it has to be instantaneous because you only have one round to act before using forced dream's ability becomes useless.

If you have a permanently available standard action (such as from Schism or something) then Correspond could work. Manifest it on your psicrystal before you send it into the future. When it arrives, it uses its standard action to ask you what's going on. If you're alive and well, your readied action will respond to it during its turn. If it doesn't get a response during its turn, the crystal will just reset to the beginning.

You could also use Alarm as an indicator. Cast it with audible alarm mode just before the crystal leaves. When it returns, it moves into the area of the alarm, triggering an audible alarm which cues it to reset. If you don't want to reset, just dismiss the spell before the crystal comes back. Its not perfect, but its simple.

[CantripN]

More help on how to make a Psionic God and maybe baby-walk me through the steps? I'm new to this, remember.

Kalashtar Telepath seems like a decent base, so let's work with that...