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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2010, 06:12:17 PM » |
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Q 6 What's the feat or ability that allows you to gain STR when you get hurt (so much damage equals so much strength increasing)?
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2010, 06:34:36 PM » |
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Q7: Does an item exist to make Blink not suck for you? I have this feeling there is a ring that negates the downsides or something....
**Not Greater Blink. This is for use with the Blink Shirt Soulmeld
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2010, 06:36:00 PM » |
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A6: Pain Mastery from Savage Species gives you +2 STR every time you take 50 points of damage. There is also Involuntary Rage from SS that gives you +4 STR & CON (as if you were raging) when you take 50 points of damage.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2010, 07:51:03 PM » |
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Q8 Does a monks belt stack with armour (I am assuming not), if it does not would bracers of armour.
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2010, 07:54:15 PM » |
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A8: The monk's belt gives you "the AC and unarmed damage of a 5th-level monk." A 5th-level monk's AC boost doesn't work in armor, so neither does the belt's. Having an armor bonus to AC without actually wearing armor (such as from a Mage Armor spell or bracers of armor) is fine.
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2010, 08:01:55 PM » |
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A8: The monk's belt gives you "the AC and unarmed damage of a 5th-level monk." A 5th-level monk's AC boost doesn't work in armor, so neither does the belt's. Having an armor bonus to AC without actually wearing armor (such as from a Mage Armor spell or bracers of armor) is fine.
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2010, 08:40:54 PM » |
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Q9: Can someone help me calculate the CL on this master spellthief build, with a nice, detailed explanation of why it works? I need to convince a DM.  bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 |
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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2010, 08:47:49 PM » |
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Q7: Does an item exist to make Blink not suck for you? I have this feeling there is a ring that negates the downsides or something....
**Not Greater Blink. This is for use with the Blink Shirt Soulmeld
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2010, 08:48:33 PM » |
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Q9: Can someone help me calculate the CL on this master spellthief build, with a nice, detailed explanation of why it works? I need to convince a DM. bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 You're our buffer if we both get in. |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2010, 09:27:14 PM » |
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Q9: Can someone help me calculate the CL on this master spellthief build, with a nice, detailed explanation of why it works? I need to convince a DM. bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 I'll give the quick rundown version: -Master Spellthief adds all arcane caster levels to give you one master caster level to use for all arcane casting classes. -Sublime Chord sets the arcane caster level for all your arcane casting classes to be the same -If your sublime chord's caster level is, say, 30, then each of those classes is 30. What is that, 6 different progressions? There's also weird interaction with Ur-priest because Ur-priest's caster level is "1/2 all other caster levels plus levels in ur-priest" or something similar, so you add half your obscene Master caster level to the ur-priest advancement, and yeah... It gets silly. Is that the expanded 7500cl build from BearsareBrown, btw? |
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
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Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2010, 09:28:23 PM » |
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Q7: Does an item exist to make Blink not suck for you? I have this feeling there is a ring that negates the downsides or something....
**Not Greater Blink. This is for use with the Blink Shirt Soulmeld
Ghost Touch Weapon You're confusing ethereal and incorporeal. An ethereal reaver (Complete Psionic) would work. |
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2010, 09:51:12 PM » |
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It gets silly. Is that the expanded 7500cl build from BearsareBrown, btw?
Not quite but it's the same concept. I expended on Anklebite's idea honestly. So lets do this. bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 You're base casting level for each casting class. Assuming you take the Bardic Variant of Spellthief. Oh, and I'm assuming you have some way to make Ur Priest count as arcane. Now, what progresses what? This matters. I'll assume it's done it the most CL optimizing way. How does Epic UM work? I'm going to assume it straight progresses both and doesn't give more CL boosts. This will change it a little. Update and I'll update mine. Now we're at our total progressiosn. I think my progression guesses are correct. If not, hell, this progression grants 3 sources of 9s. Now we calculate the CL of each progression. This assumes +4 from arcane spell power. Final CL is all of those added together +4 for arcane spell power with a CL of 85.Some NotesIf you're wondering why my record is so much higher then this: -It uses a shady reading of the Magic Mantle and psionics to Double Caster level -It had all the CL boosters I can find already added on -It uses a race with a base CL of 20 -It had Greater Consumptive Field applied to EACH casting class |
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2010, 10:04:41 PM » |
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Q9: Can someone help me calculate the CL on this master spellthief build, with a nice, detailed explanation of why it works? I need to convince a DM. bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 I'll give the quick rundown version: -Master Spellthief adds all arcane caster levels to give you one master caster level to use for all arcane casting classes. -Sublime Chord sets the arcane caster level for all your arcane casting classes to be the same -If your sublime chord's caster level is, say, 30, then each of those classes is 30. What is that, 6 different progressions? There's also weird interaction with Ur-priest because Ur-priest's caster level is "1/2 all other caster levels plus levels in ur-priest" or something similar, so you add half your obscene Master caster level to the ur-priest advancement, and yeah... It gets silly. Is that the expanded 7500cl build from BearsareBrown, btw? That much I know, I need to give the lowdown on WHY it works. More specifically, why Master Spellthief works IN ADDITION TO SC and Ultimate Magus (to use something simple). It gets silly. Is that the expanded 7500cl build from BearsareBrown, btw?
Not quite but it's the same concept. I expended on Anklebite's idea honestly. So lets do this. bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 You're base casting level for each casting class. Assuming you take the Bardic Variant of Spellthief. Oh, and I'm assuming you have some way to make Ur Priest count as arcane. Now, what progresses what? This matters. I'll assume it's done it the most CL optimizing way. How does Epic UM work? I'm going to assume it straight progresses both and doesn't give more CL boosts. This will change it a little. Update and I'll update mine. Now we're at our total progressiosn. I think my progression guesses are correct. If not, hell, this progression grants 3 sources of 9s. Now we calculate the CL of each progression. This assumes +4 from arcane spell power. Final CL is all of those added together +4 for arcane spell power with a CL of 85.Some NotesIf you're wondering why my record is so much higher then this: -It uses a shady reading of the Magic Mantle and psionics to Double Caster level -It had all the CL boosters I can find already added on -It uses a race with a base CL of 20 -It had Greater Consumptive Field applied to EACH casting class Actually, I'm not having UP count as arcane, I'm just using vanilla Sorcerer/Wizard. Second EDIT: What if we add Greater Consumptive Field to the mix? I'm using a feat from a 3rd-party book that makes spells last centuries, to duration might not be a problem (I'm mostly using the vicious amount of CL + Reserves of Strength). |
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2010, 10:12:08 PM » |
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Q10. Any ways to increase the number of attacks you make w/ a flyby attack? The only ones that occurred to me were Snap Kick and Great Flyby Attack.
And thanks for the Warforged feat find, just what I was looking for.
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« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2010, 10:18:48 PM » |
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It gets silly. Is that the expanded 7500cl build from BearsareBrown, btw?
Not quite but it's the same concept. I expended on Anklebite's idea honestly. So lets do this. bard1/wizard1/spellthief1/mindbender1/ur-priest1/Tainted Scholar3/UM2/SC1/UM+3/MT8/TS+3/Fatespinner4/epic UM11 You're base casting level for each casting class. Assuming you take the Bardic Variant of Spellthief. Oh, and I'm assuming you have some way to make Ur Priest count as arcane. Now, what progresses what? This matters. I'll assume it's done it the most CL optimizing way. How does Epic UM work? I'm going to assume it straight progresses both and doesn't give more CL boosts. This will change it a little. Update and I'll update mine. Now we're at our total progressiosn. I think my progression guesses are correct. If not, hell, this progression grants 3 sources of 9s. Now we calculate the CL of each progression. This assumes +4 from arcane spell power. Final CL is all of those added together +4 for arcane spell power with a CL of 85.Some NotesIf you're wondering why my record is so much higher then this: -It uses a shady reading of the Magic Mantle and psionics to Double Caster level -It had all the CL boosters I can find already added on -It uses a race with a base CL of 20 -It had Greater Consumptive Field applied to EACH casting class Actually, 85 is incorrect. You forgot that SC sets the caster level individually for all arcanes to it's caster level, so those are all 26's prior to adding them with Master Spellthief. Even without Ur-priest counting as arcane, that's still 104. Urpriest is now 9 + (104/2) = 61. |
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2010, 10:25:29 PM » |
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Hmmm. What I really need is the step-by-step explanation for dummies...
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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2010, 10:36:06 PM » |
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You only need to know two things: The total caster level for Sublime Chord, and whether or not you have the Master Spellthief feat.
Sublime Chord states that the caster level for all arcane casting classes is your sublime chord levels, plus levels in one other arcane casting class. This sets your caster level for any and all arcane casting classes you have to your sublime chord level. In the above example, it would be 9 sublime chord, plus the 17 of wizard, for a caster level of 26. This is now the caster level for bard, wizard, sublime chord, and spellthief, since you aren't using something to let the ur-priest function as an arcane caster. You can now ignore everything else. Everything. It's not relevant anymore.
Now, since all four of those arcane casting classes have a caster level of 26, you add all those together for your NEW caster level gained from Master Spellthief. Your True caster level is now 104 (26 cl * 4 classes). 104 is your caster level for every arcane spell, regardless of source.
Since Ur-priest doesn't count as arcane for you, it doesn't get set to 104 by master spellthief. So now we calculate it's CL.
Ur-priest 9 (1 level, plus 8 advancement from MT) + 1/2 of 104. 61 is your ur-priest caster level now (9+52).
That, of course, is following the above stated assumption that epic UM doesn't increase CL each level. If it increases at each level, then you have another 11 levels added to each class, for an arcane caster level of 148, and an ur-priest caster level of 83.
That's about as simple as it gets. Staves are your best friend now.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie. |
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« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2010, 11:03:28 PM » |
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That... SHOULD be sufficient. What about when the DM asks "Hold on, aren't you basically applying the effects of the feat twice?" I'm assuming that UM lets you set all those CLs to your Sublime Chord CL, then you add them together by means of Master Spellthief. EDIT: Damn. Looks like SC wording shoots it down. A sublime chord’s caster
level for both her sublime chord spells and the spells she
gains from other arcane spellcasting classes is determined
by adding her sublime chord level to her level in another
arcane spellcasting class. If she had more than one arcane
spellcasting class before becoming a sublime chord, she must
choose to which class to add her sublime chord levels for the
purpose of determining her sublime chord spellcaster level. GOD this seems so freakin' confusing... So if I'm reading this right, SC sets other arcane spellcasting classes CLs to its own (which we determine by adding Wizard to SC in this case). Then we add them all together. All that matters, right? |
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« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2010, 11:10:57 PM » |
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So if I'm reading this right, SC sets other arcane spellcasting classes CLs to its own (which we determine by adding Wizard to SC in this case). Then we add them all together. All that matters, right? Yes. |
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie. |
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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2010, 11:12:55 PM » |
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