kudaranai
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« on: June 08, 2010, 03:01:02 AM » |
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I think that weather by a spot, spellcraft or whatever check. it should be visible to intelligent creatures.
Or why would it say that unintelligent wouldn't know.
And there's no way a second level spell should give you immunity to necro stuff. unless there's a visible downside.
And it lasts for a while. all day at 10 and above (extended and magical locations and such)
Your appearance does not change, and while
intelligent undead do not immediately
recognize you as alive, they are likely
to question whether you are actually
undead. If used in conjunction with a
disguise or illusion to appear undead,
this spell gives you a +5 bonus on your
Disguise check.
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snakeman830
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 08:10:23 AM » |
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Undead aren't immune to necromancy effects. Constructs (but not living constructs) are.
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templer10
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 07:08:55 AM » |
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that spell doesnt make you immune to necromancy - it just makes certein spells (not all necromancy) affect you diffrently (for instance - enervation grants temp HP etc).
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kudaranai
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2010, 03:45:07 PM » |
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Thats not the point of the post!
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PhaedrusXY
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2010, 03:56:11 PM » |
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I think that weather by a spot, spellcraft or whatever check. it should be visible to intelligent creatures. The text that you quoted disagrees with you. Your appearance does not change And there's no way a second level spell should give you immunity to necro stuff. unless there's a visible downside. You mean how Protection from Evil, a 1st level spell, gives you immunity to most of the Enchantment School? I'm not saying it's right, or that I like it, but there is certainly precedent. |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2010, 04:42:20 PM » |
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Unintelligent creatures without a controller nearby are pushovers anyway (silent image makes them pointless).
Shroud of undeath is more useful for undead themselves, since it's a one-time immunity to turning.
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SorO_Lost
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 12:40:33 AM » |
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Unintelligent undead with a controller nearby are pushovers anyway (a 5,000gp vest in the MiC makes you unpreciveable until you attack them).
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kudaranai
Monkey bussiness
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 06:18:29 AM » |
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Which item?  protection from evil is not all day buff. and its not the same. enchantment has 2 million ways to deal with. this is different. |
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kudaranai
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 06:21:28 AM » |
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It also works againt evil.
you got plant body, mind blank and more to deal with enchantment. not to mention a WILL save.
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weenog
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 07:07:06 AM » |
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Protection from Evil can be cast after the fact, is of a low enough spell level that it's no significant sacrifice to have it available all the time (cheap wands, spell slots not good for much else... hell the group I play with now just instructed their lantern archon buddy to move within 10 feet of the victim), and "blocks any attempt... to exercise mental control over the creature (including enchantment (charm) effects and enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject" regardless of whether the source is evil.
It's rather early, but I'm getting the impression that you make a lot of assumptions about what spells do, instead of reading the exact specifics. Is this accurate?
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Bauglir
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 11:06:14 AM » |
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Which item? protection from evil is not all day buff. and its not the same. enchantment has 2 million ways to deal with. this is different. 10 minutes per level is hardly "all day" unless you're playing with one of those CL 600-something builds (stupid Kell). At level 20, it's just barely long enough to last through Titanic. Twice that if you're using Extend (so Titanic and Avatar). And Persist makes EVERY buff an all-day buff. |
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So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.
In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.
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PhaedrusXY
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 11:16:17 AM » |
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Unintelligent undead with a controller nearby are pushovers anyway (a 5,000gp vest in the MiC makes you unpreciveable until you attack them).
So does a 1st level cleric spell. It also lasts 10 mins/lvl. And affects multiple targets. |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2010, 01:44:28 PM » |
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With silent image you can get them to kill each other.
Your point?
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SKRP
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 12:26:38 PM » |
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Item does not allow save. |
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Ithamar
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2010, 12:38:40 PM » |
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The item also works on Intelligent undead and does not allow a saving throw. Incredibly useful in an arena filled with Evolved Ghosts...
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