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Endarire
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« on: May 13, 2010, 01:57:29 AM »

Let's assume I'm a level 6 person.  At level 6, I take a feat that lets me treat a skill as always class, like Perform.  I assign points to Perform at the class skill rate.  A Psion then uses psychic reformation to undo my level 6 decisions.

By the RAW, I can seemingly keep my skill allocations when changing feats.

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When this power is manifested, the subject CAN choose to spend its most recently gained skill points differently (picking new skills and abandoning old ones if it chooses) and to choose a different feat from the one it selected when advancing from its previous level to its current level.
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Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2010, 04:22:27 AM »

For that level, yes

This is mostly of use for PrC qualification and low-level skill cap manipulation in feat-tight builds.

I haven't included it in my Early Entry Handbook mainly because the perceived level of cheese doesn't give enough umph:

1) the skill cap is still there upon gaining the next level, so going to a second PrC that requires even higher skill rank amounts (in that same skill) will mean you will have to shuffle feats around, possibly loosing (although it is temporary and can be fixed with yet another Psy Ref) the feat prereqs for your previous PrC

2) When this is most beneficial is at low levels, but repeated manifestings of Psy Ref will eat up money spent on other things that can help your prereqs


Basically it works but it feels even sketchier than swapping out a feat - sorta like rebuilding abuse. I just like my characters to be able to fill the prereqs continuously. Feel free to request this added to the handbook though.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2010, 05:47:10 AM »

you could just leave the skill points required for what you want in preform until level 6 and then get all the ranks you want.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2010, 04:20:04 PM »

Add this to the Handbook if you like.  I prefer Pathfinder's "all skills are class skills" method as it's easier for multiclassers and multirolers.
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Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 02:52:55 PM »

Add this to the Handbook if you like.  I prefer Pathfinder's "all skills are class skills" method as it's easier for multiclassers and multirolers.
Will do

I homebrew that way, just to keep the freaking bookkeeping down (DnD has too much of that already)
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An interesting read, nice to see a civil discussion
The point of Spell Resistance is to make it harder to get buffed.
And healed. Don't forget that.
Huge amounts of people are fuckwits. That doesn't mean that fuckwit is a valid lifestyle.

Old Geezer's Law of Hobby Taste: The more objectively inconsequential a hobby is, the more disagreements within the community will be expressed in outrageously insulting, overblown, and ludicrously emotionally laden terms.

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Your a shifter... you have all you ever need.
It blows MoMF out of the water

But if your greedy for more [Wish] for something that only effects you, like another class level or two that doesn't count against your ECL.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 03:56:49 PM »

If you PsyRef-ed 2 levels, you could redo those 2 levels only, and have to still qualify for everything you normally would up to that point.
If you did a total tear-down, the same restrictions apply, otherwise stuff just doesn't work.
The old psi-board thought PsyReffing PsyRef itself was really silly ... and it is.

iirc - Surreal had or has a list of feats that give Skills.
Then there's Favored of the Guild feat for a stupid +2 to a skill, and That Feat In Cityscape that bumps the Ranks max up by 1.

Intelligent Item + Warforged + Fusion + PAO = 10 Ranks of a few limited skills, early.
That's some real cheese right there.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 05:50:15 PM »

Take Favored in Guild to enter something early and Reform it once you no longer want it.
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Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future.

Speaking of which:
Don't even need TO for this.  Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu].
Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 11:31:24 PM »

http://img243.imageshack.us/i/d326p80chaosfeats.png/
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