Skies of Arcadia Recruiting and OOC

[Rufei]

Pfft. Or you could help to make the ship an impregnable fortress, then make sure that your PC sticks to it like glue.

Most of us do not have a means to fly, btw. So yes, pain to ensue. Much of it.

[AlienFromBeyond]

That's the other reason I might change my character. My build is so tight I don't have the skill points/gold to invest in a way to not fall over the side and die.

[Sinfire Titan]

* Starting ECL is 3rd. XP is 4500. LA Buy-offs are at every three HD, not ECL.

As a matter of seeking clarification, does that mean that LA +2 would be bought of at 3 HD and then 6 HD, or at 6 HD and then 9 HD (since there's no sense in asking what it means for LA +1)?

Also, I'm leaning toward a non-Mid-Ocean game for the moment since I'm not intending for a means of flight at ECL 3 with my character probably (and, from my reading, that seemed necessary as the options were something like: fly, amulet, jump and risk dying, something else involving falling and lightning and, presumably, pain).

LA Buyoff starts at a number of hit dice equal to 3xthe LA.So an LA of +2 could be bought off at 8th level, or 6 hit dice.

[Nox_Noctis]

To avoid massive headaches (and to spare my group the possibility of a tpk brought on by 85 cunning surges per encounter), I'm not going to use Factotum (since the temptation to take Font of Inspiration for every feat would be too great).

I do want to ask how the Ascetic/Swift/whatever feats work though. If you followed a progression through to 20 on both sides, would it be 20+20=40?

[Omen of Peace]

No, you get the best progression (so it's capped by your level).

[Nox_Noctis]

Well, if anything, I'd say the argument against it is that it's actually a hybrid class, not both classes, since the feats explicitly say, "Your X and Y levels stack," and, if we accept what you just said, that would mean you're still getting 1 X level and 1 Y level, unless you're arguing that by getting the "best progression," somehow X levels supersede Y levels, or vice-versa (which would mean that X levels count as Y levels, which opens up a new can of worms in that, for example, Rogue levels are Swashbuckler levels, or Scout levels are Ranger levels, meaning, if we accepted that logic, that by taking Scout to level 20, we would get full Skirmish, Favored Enemy, and Sneak Attack [Swift Ambusher and Swift Hunter]). So, since that isn't the case, that logic can't be true, and that leaves what I was wondering: whether it's really treated as a hybrid class or both classes simultaneously in regards to such feats.

The feat I was personally looking at is Swift Hunter (9 favored enemies and 10d6/+10 AC Skirmish at level 20 if the levels stack, otherwise, the feat is basically useless except for allowing Skirmish against favored enemies).

[Omen of Peace]

It's not even an argument, it's Sinfire's past answer to that question. Yes, those feats become less interesting for, say, a Ranger//Scout.
But you can do (Ranger-Cleric) X/Scout 1/(Ranger-Cleric) Y and gain its benefits.

[Nox_Noctis]

Okay, well, I respect his decision, just not the logic.  :couch

EDIT: I'm considering a Scout 20//Something 20 with the Foe Hunter feat at level 1 (and then Swift Hunter at level 3). I wouldn't get some Ranger goodies, but a lot of them are redundant with Scout abilities until you trade them out with alternate class features anyway. It also means I can try to improve my hit dice and get preferable abilities, but I'm still probably going to have a poor Will save sadly. Anyway, I'll try to hurry up and decide on a character concept (since I said I was considering this, but not set on it, especially with three fewer favored enemies, and 5 fewer dice of skirmish, which I was considering getting Undo Resistance to accompany).

[dman11235]

Which group are you in Nox?

[Nox_Noctis]

I'm looking into Mid-Ocean or Ixa'taka probably, but I'm not wholly swayed in any direction, so between the four still recruiting, I could end up anywhere depending on what happens from here on out.

[Ubernoob]

I can bring Elrock into any setting.  I'm just waiting until I get my laptop so that I can actually make big RP posts regularly.

Remember this guys?  I got my laptop today.  Ixa'taka would be better.

[Nox_Noctis]

Sinfire, what's your verdict on the guidelines for Creating Magic Items (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm)?

[Sinfire Titan]

Sinfire, what's your verdict on the guidelines for Creating Magic Items (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm)?

Any XP or GP you spend comes out of your starting amount of 4500xp and 2700gp.

[Nox_Noctis]

I meant about adhering to the formulas for determining costs, since some spells are obviously hot button issues with those calculations.

[Sinfire Titan]

I meant about adhering to the formulas for determining costs, since some spells are obviously hot button issues with those calculations.

Some spells warrant a price multiplier change. Wraithstrike, for example, costs an additional 200% more to craft and purchase in wand/wondrous item form than scroll form. And items of Astral Projection are outright stupid in cost.

[Nox_Noctis]

And True Strike? I assume it gets some sort of modifier as well since it's close to Wraithstrike (better early game, comparable late game usually).

And, don't worry, I have no intention to use Astral Constructs, haha. Also, Wraithstrike is a very unnecessary spell with the right equipment.  :couch

None of this is set in stone though. I'm still tossing around ideas for Race (and Class based on race), so role is still variable.  :-\ I'm bad at making up my mind.

[Sinfire Titan]

And True Strike? I assume it gets some sort of modifier as well since it's close to Wraithstrike (better early game, comparable late game usually).

And, don't worry, I have no intention to use Astral Constructs, haha. Also, Wraithstrike is a very unnecessary spell with the right equipment.  :couch

None of this is set in stone though. I'm still tossing around ideas for Race (and Class based on race), so role is still variable.  :-\ I'm bad at making up my mind.

Same for it. Similar spell but lower in level, thus requiring the extra price.

[Nox_Noctis]

Alright, thanks.

Also, is it just me, or are Dvati (Dragon Compendium 16) absolutely wicked with Mind Sight (Lords of Madness 126)? If it works as I believe it does, that allows you to pinpoint every sentient creature in existence that hasn't specifically shielded itself from such an effect.

[Sinfire Titan]

Alright, thanks.

Also, is it just me, or are Dvati (Dragon Compendium 16) absolutely wicked with Mind Sight (Lords of Madness 126)? If it works as I believe it does, that allows you to pinpoint every sentient creature in existence that hasn't specifically shielded itself from such an effect.

Only each other. I limit Mindsight to the ones you can speak with telepathically.

[Nox_Noctis]

I don't mean within the confines of this game. That question was more broadly based. Strictly speaking, does it work the way I described?

EDIT: However, for the purposes of this game, I am considering a pair of Dvati, possibly Barbarians to alleviate the obvious health issue, though the limited number of rages per day could definitely be an issue. Still, the ability is a little confusing at the same time because the twins share ability scores (as implied by the section on their hit points, which refers to a "1st-level dvati fighter with a 13 constitution" and then determines that both twins have equal hit point totals), so it would seem that it affects both of them anyway.

Also, I'm curious as to how maneuvers work with them: I understand they share the same maneuvers readied pool, but do they both simultaneously use maneuvers when initiated? I don't believe they do (instead figuring that, like other physical actions, they act independently), but I figure it bears asking. And as far as maneuvers go, do they share stances? Can they be in different stances? I assume boosts only affect the Dvati that used it (unless they simultaneously use maneuvers, as inquired about previously).

And, finally, does damage stored in the Delayed Damage Pool of a Crusader affect both hit point totals or only the one for the twin struck by the delayed attack? I believe it only affects one based on this line (and lack of opposing evidence): "In most cases, an effect that applies to one twin fails to spill over to the other." [Two specific exceptions are given in the text; one immediately in this section, one previously.]

Obviously Crusaders would make unusual Dvati, since they tend to strive for neutrality (as a collective racial trait), but PCs tend to be the unusual ones anyway, and it shouldn't be much of a stretch since Dvati adventurers are rare enough as it is, so any Dvati twins adventuring are likely already fairly divergent from the rest of their culture.