Skies of Arcadia Recruiting and OOC

[NineInchNall]

Diaboli were LA +0 to begin with.  I'm really not sure why they got bumped to LA +1 in the Dragon Compendium.  They're certainly no better than neraphs. 

[Sinfire Titan]

Diaboli were LA +0 to begin with.  I'm really not sure why they got bumped to LA +1 in the Dragon Compendium.  They're certainly no better than neraphs. 

It may have been due to the Outsider type. I know it wasn't because of the tail or poison. Well, maybe the poison. But not the tail attack.

[NineInchNall]

It may have been bee-ess. 

[Ieniemienie]

@Sinfire: You've got mail 

There goes my optimization-fu.... Is there anything that can de done within the 1LA with the symbiotic template?

[DaveTheMagicWeasel]

Ah grapple monsters. That's how to beat a Chain Tripper. Well, it helps when they don't have Improved Trip to screw your AoO over. Sure, we can make the Lesser verion. The Fey version actually is weaker if you gave them both HD (or racial weapon profs). Do remind me what the stats are on the Diaboli, just so I know what I'm getting myself into.

Dragon Compendium version:

Diaboli
Medium Outsider (chaotic, native) (changed to Fey, keep the chaotic or lose it?  I got no firm opinion, but it does seem appropriate for Fey)
Base speed 30
Darkvision 60
+2 racial saves vs spells/spell-like
+2 Intimidate vs humanoids/animals
-2 Diplomancy, Handle Animal, Perform & Sense Motive
Tridents as simple weapons
Tail attack (1d4)
Poison 3+Con/day sickens for 2d4 rounds
Favored Class: Sorcerer
LA +1

The Dragon 327 version has no daily limit on poison uses and LA+0, but is otherwise identical.

[Sinfire Titan]

Ah grapple monsters. That's how to beat a Chain Tripper. Well, it helps when they don't have Improved Trip to screw your AoO over. Sure, we can make the Lesser verion. The Fey version actually is weaker if you gave them both HD (or racial weapon profs). Do remind me what the stats are on the Diaboli, just so I know what I'm getting myself into.

Dragon Compendium version:

Diaboli
Medium Outsider (chaotic, native) (changed to Fey, keep the chaotic or lose it?  I got no firm opinion, but it does seem appropriate for Fey)
Base speed 30
Darkvision 60
+2 racial saves vs spells/spell-like
+2 Intimidate vs humanoids/animals
-2 Diplomancy, Handle Animal, Perform & Sense Motive
Tridents as simple weapons
Tail attack (1d4)
Poison 3+Con/day sickens for 2d4 rounds
Favored Class: Sorcerer
LA +1

The Dragon 327 version has no daily limit on poison uses and LA+0, but is otherwise identical.

Keep the Chaotic sub-type. Otherwise the original is fine.

[Sinfire Titan]

Gargel has a preliminary build up. While it's not quite as cheesy as Unseelie Fey, he can open a combat with a 20ft jump (at which he auto-succeeds), then swipe at his victim for 16d6+24 if all his attacks hit a flat-footed opponent. He gets less impressive from there, but it's a pretty strong opening gambit. And he can pass one point of essentia down to either AC or stealth ability, and still make his DC 20 Jump on a 1.

I'm still working on equipment. He really doesn't need that much, and I'm not sure how much gold he should get.

As with JJ, you used Character Traits, something I don't allow. Other than that, the build looks fine. 1d3+1 for FP.

[Ieniemienie]

@Sinfire: You've got mail 

There goes my optimization-fu.... Is there anything that can de done within the 1LA with the symbiotic template?

[Sinfire Titan]

@Sinfire: You've got mail 

There goes my optimization-fu.... Is there anything that can de done within the 1LA with the symbiotic template?

I read through it. The variant gives up Elemental shape and slows the Spontaneous casting to 3rd level instead of at 1st. That's all I really noticed, aside from a few more abilities to fill in dead levels. I'll let it in.

[Callix]

As with JJ, you used Character Traits, something I don't allow. Other than that, the build looks fine. 1d3+1 for FP.

Fixed; taking the average. How much gold should we be starting with?

Also, thanks to Leap of the Heavens and Improved Soulmeld Capacity, Gargel can make his 5ft jump from a standing start on a 1. How will you handle the AoOs and flanking from jumping next to someone?

[Sinfire Titan]

As with JJ, you used Character Traits, something I don't allow. Other than that, the build looks fine. 1d3+1 for FP.

Fixed; taking the average. How much gold should we be starting with?

Also, thanks to Leap of the Heavens and Improved Soulmeld Capacity, Gargel can make his 5ft jump from a standing start on a 1. How will you handle the AoOs and flanking from jumping next to someone?

If you do it as a 5ft step, none without Thicket of Blades or difficult terrain to stand in your way. GP is as the WBL guidelines.

[Callix]

Thanks. A question and a statement.
1. Gargel is not trying to be a priority for the Yafutoma game. He's probably better suited to Ixa'taka or mid-ocean. Still, if you need him, he's there.

2. How are we doing hit points? Average or Invisible Castle?

[Sinfire Titan]

Thanks. A question and a statement.
1. Gargel is not trying to be a priority for the Yafutoma game. He's probably better suited to Ixa'taka or mid-ocean. Still, if you need him, he's there.

2. How are we doing hit points? Average or Invisible Castle?

1: Got it.
2: Either. Whichever you wish to use.

[AfterCrescent]

I'm going to throw my hat in for Valua right now. Although if Mid-Ocean moves here before Valua starts and has an open space, I'd love to be in that. Is that cool?

[Akula]

Can I use the Fire-Souled template from dragon 314? It would be going on a Wilder//Bard or Marshal. Though really I'm still looking for a nice Cha based class to use on the second side.

As for region, the character I'm building would likely have come from Nasr but would be the type to travel to other places. I would be happy anywhere I think.

[Llochlyn]

No problem for the chronomancer, I also have issues with the class as a mechanical entity. I just liked the aesthetics of it for some kind of real master of the blade, à la Island in Time (maybe the word "slice" influences me ?). I still get to use it as a DM though.


Now, fellows, I'm torn between two options :

Warblade//Incarnate for bonusey goodness (huge HP, great attacks, etc) and all that "I am the law, lol" stuff, wich blends well with samuraïs.

OR Warblade // Feat Rogue, for a big pile of feats to power all that's good in a warblade : cutting stuff. [thinking lockdown/Stormguard warrior here], and nice skills too. I like the acrobatic flair of it.

I just can't decide what's mechanically better, and like the two concepts from a visual point of view.

[Callix]

I'm willing to call Gargel finished. I took average HP, and while the benefits of spending an FP are nice, I'd like to see what he needs in a bit of play before I started spending them. Also, one d20 reroll/day is not to be uderestimated.

[Smudgy]

Put me down for Yafutoma, my echocaller//swordsage seems to fit in the most there. This will be the first time I've ever used Tome of Battle, I'm diving in, so wish me luck. I don't plan on this build to be extremely optimized in any way, but any hints or tips would be nice.

[Callix]

Swordsage is a brutal, brutal class. Desert Wind is probably the worst school overall, but is still pretty awesome. If you go Shadow Hand, widely considered one of the best options, Weapon Finesse and Shadow Blade can let you dump Str entirely. The other two strong schools are Tiger Claw and Diamond Mind; while thematically antithetical, they are remarkably mechanically complementary.

Really, find some good tricks and nab 'em. There's not much you can do horribly wrong with ToB. It's a good system like that.

[Omen of Peace]

ToB for newbies is a good resource, as is the ToB Build Compendium. Also, post your build in the Min/Max forum to get some comments. My character will focus on Setting Sun with a dash of Diamond Mind (he only has access to those 2 schools). Weapon Finesse+Shadow Blade is indeed a common and strong choice.

If you're interested in Diamond Mind you can also take a look at JJ's Meditant - it's better with full BAB, but in short it uses psionic feats (Deep Impact) in combinations with Diamond Mind strikes. I recall liking the Beshadowed Blade but I can't remember right now what it did. And there's the Daring Swordsage, etc...