Nihilus
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« Reply #780 on: May 06, 2010, 11:42:32 AM » |
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Q181 what are good summons a CG Cleric/ED can evoke with 8th and 9th level spells? This includes summon monsters eight and nine, planar binding, summon elemental monolith, etc.
What are good medium sized earth elementals?
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« Reply #781 on: May 06, 2010, 12:04:38 PM » |
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A180:
I think it depends on the game. In 3.5 the XPH was updated to say that psionics is basically the "ninth" school of magic, otherwise known as psionic/magic transparency. In this situation, yes, an AMF shuts down manifesting. Originally, psionics were completely different from magic and the aforementioned rule was the variant, and there were rather long lists of how various powers and spells interacted. I believe an AMF had no effect on psionics under those rules because there was an equivalent "anti-psionic" field but I can't remember for certain anymore.
A180a:
Just like psionics, there is soulmeld-magic transparency, and in these circumstances soulmelds are treated as spell-like abilities. Any spell that could affect soulmelds does affect them. So SR applies (a meldshaper automatically overcomes his own SR), dispelling a soulmeld is treated as dispelling an item, and soulmelds are supressed in dead magic areas with the additional punch in the gut of not being allowed to allocate essentia.
Psionics/Magic transparency is the default, per the EPH. The variant rule was them interacting differently, three pages later. Forgotten Realms, on the other hand, has slightly different rules concerning dead magic and no-magic/antimagic areas. |
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
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« Reply #782 on: May 06, 2010, 12:29:03 PM » |
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A177: has a sonic mind affecting ability (MM2-MM5)
Desmodu (MM2)
Gambol (MM2)
Phoenix (MM2)
Death Giant (MM3)
Glaistig (MM3) (sonic charm effect)
Nycter (MM3)
Defacer (MM4)
Demonhive - Demonet Swarm (MM4)
Banshrae (MM5)
Frostwind Virago (MM5)
Nice, I'll take a look through those tomorrow when I'm more awake. Did you use a database somewhere for that? edit: looks like the only one of those that's playable is the Nycter, which isn't all that bad starting at ecl 5. Desmodu is technically playable, but starts at ECL 14. The Glaistig can't leave their pond. What about a grig? It's not like anyone else can use that fiddle to produce the effects they do... |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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« Reply #783 on: May 06, 2010, 12:35:49 PM » |
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A177: has a sonic mind affecting ability (MM2-MM5)
Desmodu (MM2)
Gambol (MM2)
Phoenix (MM2)
Death Giant (MM3)
Glaistig (MM3) (sonic charm effect)
Nycter (MM3)
Defacer (MM4)
Demonhive - Demonet Swarm (MM4)
Banshrae (MM5)
Frostwind Virago (MM5)
Nice, I'll take a look through those tomorrow when I'm more awake. Did you use a database somewhere for that? edit: looks like the only one of those that's playable is the Nycter, which isn't all that bad starting at ecl 5. Desmodu is technically playable, but starts at ECL 14. The Glaistig can't leave their pond. What about a grig? It's not like anyone else can use that fiddle to produce the effects they do... I thought about that, but going by strictly RAW it unfortunately doesn't work as it is not specifically listed as a sonic effect (though you could get mind-affecting through association to irresistible dance). Seems dumb, but on the other hand it means your fiddle can affect creatures who can't hear it. |
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« Reply #784 on: May 06, 2010, 01:37:09 PM » |
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Q182: What good offensive touch spells are there that can be extended?
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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« Reply #785 on: May 06, 2010, 01:43:13 PM » |
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Q182: What good offensive touch spells are there that can be extended?
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Negative level on a chicken would make it a wight the next day. Chicken the other wight meat. -borg286
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« Reply #786 on: May 06, 2010, 02:03:13 PM » |
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Q182: What good offensive touch spells are there that can be extended?
Class? Any. Preferably ignoring those that have special components (such as corrupt spells or the Necrotic line). Really, I'm just looking for those that stand out. Most offensive touch spells I've found have either instantaneous or permanant durations. |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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Ithamar
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« Reply #787 on: May 06, 2010, 02:36:10 PM » |
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Produce Flame is decent.
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« Reply #788 on: May 06, 2010, 02:43:31 PM » |
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« Reply #789 on: May 06, 2010, 02:50:37 PM » |
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« Reply #790 on: May 06, 2010, 03:20:57 PM » |
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Shivering Touch is 1 round / level and is pretty obviously a typo. |
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Negative level on a chicken would make it a wight the next day. Chicken the other wight meat. -borg286
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« Reply #791 on: May 06, 2010, 03:24:30 PM » |
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Shivering Touch is 1 round / level and is pretty obviously a typo. Why would you say that? |
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« Reply #792 on: May 06, 2010, 03:27:19 PM » |
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Shivering Touch is 1 round / level and is pretty obviously a typo. Why would you say that? There is no effect beyond the one-time ability damage. |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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Rebel7284
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« Reply #793 on: May 06, 2010, 03:28:48 PM » |
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It clearly deals ability damage once. putting duration on it makes as much sense as putting duration on a fireball. If you argue that shivering touch is meant to deal that much damage every round of that duration, then the first level lesser shivering touch spell can kill virtually anything.
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Negative level on a chicken would make it a wight the next day. Chicken the other wight meat. -borg286
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McPoyo
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« Reply #794 on: May 06, 2010, 04:13:13 PM » |
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Or maybe it means the damage lasts for that long...
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie. |
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« Reply #795 on: May 06, 2010, 04:21:44 PM » |
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Well... the spell technically doesn't say it discharges after the first attack, so I guess that means you can keep making touch attacks for the duration of the spell. Your DM might hit you with an ice tray though.
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--- "The late, sedate, and no to great." ~SurrealSome Handy Links for CO Work (WotC 339 version) - a compilation of links for base/prestige class handbooks, tactics, spellcasting, character builds, D&D databases, etc. Archived version of the above with working linksThe Mango Index - a giant index for all things D&D and where to find them The Mango List Reborn! - rehosted by KellKheraptis Lists of Stuff - listing of class features etc and how to get them, etc. sort of like above but a little more specific and sorted by category Polymorph, Wildshape and Shapechange, oh my! (comparison charts) - side-by-side comparison of all the various form altering abilities Alternative Class Featuresalternative ways to get class skills |
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« Reply #796 on: May 06, 2010, 04:22:53 PM » |
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Well... the spell technically doesn't say it discharges after the first attack, so I guess that means you can keep making touch attacks for the duration of the spell. Your DM might hit you with an ice tray though.
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Negative level on a chicken would make it a wight the next day. Chicken the other wight meat. -borg286
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« Reply #797 on: May 06, 2010, 04:24:42 PM » |
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Well... the spell technically doesn't say it discharges after the first attack, so I guess that means you can keep making touch attacks for the duration of the spell. Your DM might hit you with an ice tray though.
DMM persist? touch isn't fixed range. |
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I do not suffer from paranoia; I enjoy every second of it.
Pioneer of the Ultimate Magus + Sublime Chord + Ultimate Magus combo
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Rebel7284
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« Reply #798 on: May 06, 2010, 04:26:30 PM » |
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Well... the spell technically doesn't say it discharges after the first attack, so I guess that means you can keep making touch attacks for the duration of the spell. Your DM might hit you with an ice tray though.
DMM persist? touch isn't fixed range. DMM Persist with EYE LASERS! .. I think we're a bit off topic here. |
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Negative level on a chicken would make it a wight the next day. Chicken the other wight meat. -borg286
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« Reply #799 on: May 06, 2010, 04:46:17 PM » |
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Well... the spell technically doesn't say it discharges after the first attack, so I guess that means you can keep making touch attacks for the duration of the spell. Your DM might hit you with an ice tray though.
DMM persist? touch isn't fixed range. DMM Persist with EYE LASERS! .. I think we're a bit off topic here. Scott Summers you say?  With Ruby spectacles that are enchanted with a persistent dispell magic effect that only affects the wearers eyes so long as they wear them... |
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