Emerge from the ring of control, guardian of balance!

[Prime32]

Should I post M&M stuff here or continue spamming Agita's thread?

[Agita]

Should I post M&M stuff here or continue spamming Agita's thread?

Whichever you prefer. I get updated on both threads anyway, so it's not like I have a way around it (not that I'd want to).
Then again, I suppose this thread is about statting alternate servants using FSN's ranking system, so if you keep spamming my thread, you'd probably be slightly less off-topic, and I'm thankful for the inspiration, anyway.
Or you could, y'know, start a separate thread.

[Agita]

Question: Do Norse valkyries count as gods for purposes of qualifying for Servant status? They're angels that serve the gods, and Wikipedia at one point says that they are supposed to be gods... in exactly one sentence in exactly one article, as far as I know, so I doubt that information. Some of them would make good servants, particularly Sabers, Lancers, or Riders.

Saber

Identity: Brynhildr
Strength A
Mana C
Endurance A
Agility B
Luck C

Noble Phantasms
Supreme Arbiter, Gift of the Ultimate Decision (Anti-Army, EX)
Hindarfjall, Burning Fortress of Shields (Support, B++)
Andvarinaut, Ring of Ominous Calamity (??)

Skills
Bravery: A
Divinity: E - Brynhildr was cursed by Odin to live the life of a mortal woman as a punishment for angering him, so the rank of her divinity is greatly reduced. (Should it be eliminated altogether?)
Eye of the Mind (True): C
Magic Resistance: B
Riding: C

Even if Valkyries are considered gods, Bryn ought to qualify by virtue of being condemned to live as a mortal. There's no real reason she's a Saber instead of a Lancer or Rider other than her holding a sword in the pic I found. Obviously, I took some liberties with Hindarfjall, as I didn't really find much info on it. Originally, she was imprisoned in a castle behind a wall of shields and surrounded by fire, which was situated on top of the mountain Hindarfjall. The castle itself doesn't seem to have been made of shields, but it seems to be one of the only items associated with Bryn, so I chose to go with Rule of Cool and combine the ring of fire, the wall, and the mountain's name into one defensive NP. As the wall was made of multiple shields, it might work similarly to Rho Aius with multiple layers, or it might have a feedback-like effect due to the fire, retaliating for a blow with proportionate force. I'm pretty sure Excalibur wasn't a Wave Motion Gun in the myth, either.
On Andvarinaut, I've found even less info. According to wikipedia, it's supposed to bring ruin to its bearer. Thoughts on how to turn this into a useful NP are appreciated.
Bravery and Eye of the Mind have no relation to what I know about Brynhildr whatsoever, I just figured they fit with the whole "valkyrie" shtick. Since valkyries are also supposed to lead the einherjar to battle during Ragnarok IIRC, maybe some Charisma would also be appropiate.

And an alternate Touhou Archer (this one actually has a bow):

Archer

Identity: Eirin Yagokoro
Strength C
Mana C
Endurance B
Agility C
Luck B

Noble Phantasms
Lunar Bow (C) - each arrow turns into a danmaku barrage.
Forbidden Arcanum: Hourai Elixir (A)

Skills
Charisma: C-? Enough to lead the Lunar Capital, but she eventually had to flee.
Item Construction: A+? She made a true, honest to goodness Immortality Elixir in canon. This isn't a class ability for her, however, so maybe it's dormant and doesn't work, like how Heracles lost some of his personal abilities due to Mad Enhancement.
Independent Action: B
Military Tactics: B or C - She's called the 'Brain of the Moon' for a reason. I think it was also her who repelled Yukari's first assault on the moon.

[veekie]

Brunhilde is about as much a god as Hercules would be(he ascended late in life to demigodhood, she fell from demigodhood), so presumably living as a mortal is what counts.

As for Eirin, Item Construction is basically analogue to Archer's Unlimited Blade Works, it probably works, and at full power,but not augmented beyond her own stature like it would be if she were Caster.
Tactics is basically an application of Eye of Mind, right?

[Kuroimaken]

Brunhilde is about as much a god as Hercules would be(he ascended late in life to demigodhood, she fell from demigodhood), so presumably living as a mortal is what counts.

As for Eirin, Item Construction is basically analogue to Archer's Unlimited Blade Works, it probably works, and at full power,but not augmented beyond her own stature like it would be if she were Caster.
Tactics is basically an application of Eye of Mind, right?

Actually, as far as godhood is concerned, Brunhilde was never actually considered a goddess (or any of the valkyries for that matter), but rather a scion of Odin's with some granted powers, which she later lost. Her "job" was the only thing that granted her any measure of power - that is, the power to concede victory. If she acted like Caster did, she'd basically be one of the most broken servants ever, as her Noble Phantasm would probably be to become a ghost and concede victory to the side she stood in.

[Agita]

Brunhilde is about as much a god as Hercules would be(he ascended late in life to demigodhood, she fell from demigodhood), so presumably living as a mortal is what counts.

As for Eirin, Item Construction is basically analogue to Archer's Unlimited Blade Works, it probably works, and at full power,but not augmented beyond her own stature like it would be if she were Caster.
Tactics is basically an application of Eye of Mind, right?

Actually, as far as godhood is concerned, Brunhilde was never actually considered a goddess (or any of the valkyries for that matter), but rather a scion of Odin's with some granted powers

Cool, that's all I wanted to know. That means valkyries are valid choices for Servants, assuming we avoid the whole 'arbiters of battles' stuff.

[Prime32]

Well, "arbitrer of battle" could make for a very powerful Noble Phantasm which inflicts restrictions on opponents or something.

[Kuroimaken]

They picked the side which won. It had nothing to do with restrictions. The losing side simply started running out of steam, missed defenses, opportunities for counterattacks and so on until the other side simply dealt the finishing blow in the fashion most convenient.

If Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume is to be believed, this means that people tended to both praise and curse valkyries, as it meant that those who fought valorously in battle and then died did so at the whim of the Gods.

[veekie]

Possibly one of them cause and effect reversal things, countered by Luck and Divinity.
Burn massive prana to decide a battle's outcome(victory or defeat only), then no matter what, that outcome will occur.

[Agita]

They picked the side which won. It had nothing to do with restrictions. The losing side simply started running out of steam, missed defenses, opportunities for counterattacks and so on until the other side simply dealt the finishing blow in the fashion most convenient.

If Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume is to be believed, this means that people tended to both praise and curse valkyries, as it meant that those who fought valorously in battle and then died did so at the whim of the Gods.

I don't know shit about VP, other than I want to pick it up and try it, but basically this. It's how Brynhildr/Brunhilde fell in the first place - she was to pick the winner of a battle and made the guy Odin wanted to win lose.

I guess it could work as a NP, though it could probably be counteracted with a high Luck stat (kinda like how Saber avoided a full hit from Gae Bolg). We'd need to come up with an awesome, flashy visual for it, of course.

[Kuroimaken]

They picked the side which won. It had nothing to do with restrictions. The losing side simply started running out of steam, missed defenses, opportunities for counterattacks and so on until the other side simply dealt the finishing blow in the fashion most convenient.

If Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume is to be believed, this means that people tended to both praise and curse valkyries, as it meant that those who fought valorously in battle and then died did so at the whim of the Gods.

I don't know shit about VP, other than I want to pick it up and try it, but basically this. It's how Bryhildr/Brunhilde fell in the first place - she was to pick the winner of a battle and made the guy Odin wanted to win lose.

I guess it could work as a NP, though it could probably be counteracted with a high Luck stat (kinda like how Saber avoided a full hit from Gae Bolg). We'd need to come up with an awesome, flashy visual for it, of course.

Correct.

I recommend you pick up any and all versions of it you can get your grubby mitts on, Agita. Seriously, there is no such thing as a bad VP game.

[Prime32]

Presenting the other great hero of Ireland. I submitted a version of this to the first PbP game at GitP but I didn't get in.

Lancer
Identity: Fionn Mac Cumhaill
Strength C
Mana D
Endurance B
Agility C
Luck B

Noble Phantasms
Birga (Anti-Unit, B+)
Finnegas (Anti-Army, EX)
Crane-skin bag (Support, D)

Skills
Charisma: C
Eye of the Mind (Fake): B
Instinct: B
Item Creation: D-
Magic Resistance: C
Mystic Thumb: ~

Birga: A demonic spear which generates harsh soundwaves that neutralise sound-based effects. In addition, while it is not cold to the touch, any Elemental pierced by the spear begins to freeze from the inside out.

Finnegas: A supreme miracle of "splitting the earth", Lancer's greatest Noble Phantasm is a weapon named for his teacher. Its power over earth and stone is theoretically infinite, capable of splitting the very planet asunder, but its use is limited by Lancer's supply of mana. At its weakest level Lancer can use it to raise chains of hexagonal pillars from the ground and dismiss them. The mana cost of any effect greater than this is immense.

Crane-skin bag: Lancer possesses a bag which is larger on the inside than the outside and can store a large number of weapons. While a minor artifact, it is nonetheless classified a Noble Phantasm. The weapons themselves are also Noble Phantasms of D-rank, though they possess no unique abilities.

Item Creation: Lancer can infuse water cupped between his hands with the properties of a healing potion.

Mystic Thumb: Lancer's thumb is infused with all the wisdom of the Salmon of Knowledge. He can suck on it to raise his Luck, Instinct, and Eye of the Mind (False) traits by one rank. With its direction he may wield Finnegas to intercept any attack he can perceive instantly. This shield is highly effective against Anti-Unit Noble Phantasms, but is easily defeated by an Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm.

The earth-manipulating NP is based on the stories of Fionn as a giant, who tore the Isle of Man out of the ground and threw it into the ocean, the hole becoming Lough Neagh, and created the Giant's Causeway. Still need to come up with something to cover "water from his hands had healing powers", and maybe give him the power to summon his two sentient hounds.

[Agita]

The healing powers could be Item Creation at a low rank for healing potions.

[Prime32]

Possibly one of them cause and effect reversal things, countered by Luck and Divinity.
Burn massive prana to decide a battle's outcome(victory or defeat only), then no matter what, that outcome will occur.

A destiny-manipulation effect. Once the Noble Phantasm is activated, the Servant's senses become murky. All of their stats drop by one rank, and they suffer a penalty to accuracy which can be negated by a successful Luck roll.

[Kuroimaken]

Wait a sec. The way you're talking makes it sound as though there are rules for actually running a Fate game...

[Agita]

Wait a sec. The way you're talking makes it sound as though there are rules for actually running a Fate game...

Naw, he's just imitating the jargon the game itself uses. Seriously, the Noble Pahntasm descriptions in-game read like that. For example, Enuma Elish does 20xSTR damage, with MGI added at random. Normal max damage is 4,000, but it can be further increased with support from other NPs.

[Prime32]

Note that these are the stats as Shirou sees them. Apparently some Magi visualise the abilities of Servants as colours, days of the week, etc. Shirou sees them as RPG stats.

But there are rules.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Shirou's also pretty poor at wizardry in general, with the specific exception of swords, so anything he says not weapon-related has to be taken with a grain of 

[Prime32]

Shirou's also pretty poor at wizardry in general, with the specific exception of swords, so anything he says not weapon-related has to be taken with a grain of  

Amusingly, I just came from a GitP thread where someone was asking for a list of all spells which involved swords or other weapons.

If he mentions having create food and drink on his spell list then that's when I grow suspicious.

[Kuroimaken]

Wait a sec. The way you're talking makes it sound as though there are rules for actually running a Fate game...

Naw, he's just imitating the jargon the game itself uses. Seriously, the Noble Pahntasm descriptions in-game read like that. For example, Enuma Elish does 20xSTR damage, with MGI added at random. Normal max damage is 4,000, but it can be further increased with support from other NPs.

Aw, shame! I was thinking of adding Thialfi to the mix.