PHB3 psi stuff

[awaken DM golem]

Is it me, or is the Monk not really psi, even though they say it is ??

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The power points mini game looks like:

Minotaur 0 hit point trickery + the Battlemind EpicD = semi-infinite loop , but have to keep crossing the 0 mark
Unkillable 0 hit point trickery + Battlemind EpicD = doesn't work as well as above, keeps getting out of the Unkillable stuff

Swordmaster PPath + Godmind EpicD = lots of powerpoints
Lich Brain Graft + Godmind = semi-infinite loop , but this is mostly a lich brain graft thing

Cog Crystals = semi-infinite loop
but I see a Big Pile of Gold going out, a Bag of Holding, Quick Draw feat, one hand free so no Shield and limited Weaponry,
and an easy and obvious 1 of these actions per round DM restriction happening. Might even be RAW.
Also CCs can't be a normal treasure slot item. You have to make them. So that's another tag on the build (not much).

I think a non-psi class that massages the Hybriding / Multiclassing / Paragon Multi
set-up, can get any of the 3 above loops going. It's more a matter of pp capacity, before the trickery has to happen.
There's prolly a specific powerpoint + at will combo, that'll shine up most any non-psi build.
Lots of infrastructure investment, in any case.
 

[Agita]

The Monk is kind of the odd one out because it was originally part of the Ki power source, which got nixed at some point. Psionics and Ki are somewhat similar anyway, though. I see them all as making reality do what they want by being more stubborn than reality. The psion does so straight-up: "Shut up, second law of thermodynamics. You're in the way." The Ardent makes his own allies go GAR and his enemies shit themselves because the awesomeness of his mind rubs off on them. The Battlemind (I like the name Warmind better...) hold the body to the mind's standards, "My mind is made of iron. Therefore, so is my body." The monk has watched so many kung-fu movies that he's become enlightened enough to punch people in the face from afar and do all kinds of impossible stunts.

"Minotaur 0 hp trickery" doesn't work anymore. They made Ferocity an Immediate Interrupt, so it can only be used 1/round.
I have no idea what you mean by Unkillable.

Swordmaster and Godmind make lots of PP. Yeah, okay, but Swordmaster sucks, so why bother?
Well, okay... but grafts are for monsters and EDs are for PCs, so... yeah.

I don't see how Cognizance Crystals are supposed to create an infinite loop. The stuff you list requires resources that are honestly better spent elsewhere, and doesn't actually create a loop, it's just using lots and lots of the items as intended. Further, it's not like power points are an insanely powerful game-winning resource.

You also left out the potentially most important loop of them all, the one that Harmonious Thunder creates all by itself due to sucky writing. Go ahead, read the effect. Then realize that the feedback damage continues indefinitely as written.

[awaken DM golem]

Oh sure, the fluff of Monk got folded into psionics. And it's not like I don't wanna Tashalatora connection every now and then, I'm just a little old school on the psionics side of it all. What does "GAR" mean?

Harmonious Thunder, I called "finger of death" on the wotc board. Hey, the Monk needs something right ? 

Minotaur nerf, ahh I missed that. There are/were some other 0 hit point ping back and forth thingies, over at wotc.
iirc ShakaUVM still has the unkillable lich in his sig. Thats the direction I was going.
I guess I'm a little vague or slow, about the perpetual errata-ing.

"I don't see how Cognizance Crystals are supposed to create an infinite loop. The stuff you list requires resources that are honestly better spent elsewhere, and doesn't actually create a loop, it's just using lots and lots of the items as intended. Further, it's not like power points are an insanely powerful game-winning resource."
Oh I'm with you. There's been some agitation at wotc about the CCs being waayyy overpowered. I don't think so.
It's a resource management problem, as you said.

I mean really ... [2W] at 21st level.
The psi at-wills / fakey encounters , can't do that without lots of boosting. And tapping into the powerpoint supply.
Let's say a psi class blew full powerpoints into a level 27, a level 23 and a level 17 "encounter" powers.
It'd be almost out of powerpoints. So then it's At-wills have no way of being [2W] at all.
Lots fewer choices at that point too.
The CCs are basically mandatory.
I don't see how any psi class gets away from them.

This powerpoint mini-game won't give up it's secrets right away.

[Agita]

Oh sure, the fluff of Monk got folded into psionics. And it's not like I don't wanna Tashalatora connection every now and then, I'm just a little old school on the psionics side of it all. What does "GAR" mean?

'GAR' basically means manly/badass. Be happy you don't know the term.

[veekie]

Oh sure, the fluff of Monk got folded into psionics. And it's not like I don't wanna Tashalatora connection every now and then, I'm just a little old school on the psionics side of it all. What does "GAR" mean?

'GAR' basically means manly/badass. Be happy you don't know the term.

If he does, he'd be one of us.

[awaken DM golem]

Ignorance is Strength, or something like that.

Who?
The Kitty or The Big Guy ?!

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Swordmaster recharges encounters and Psi classes don't get encounters.
Oops.
(thud)

Anyways,
the powerpoint mini-game ...

[awaken DM golem]

(sigh) Real life sucks, I should devote more time to D&D.

The Battlemind EpicD doesn't do what I said.
Its 24th level ability kicks in at 0 power points, not hit points. Read too fast = boo boo.
So ...
it gets a small pp mini-game going.
Battlemind 13 has a 3 attack power, that can trigger the 24 ability hit clause.
Battlemind has 2 at-wills that are i.i.powers, so together this can be a 1 round fun thingy.

Looks like just 2 powers from each 3 psi-classes, add in pp to the mix.
Might not be worth it.


EDIT - I got close, but it's just with Paragon Multiclassing. Dang this is complicated.
Non-psi class hybrid Psionic class
is weak at level 3, and down 2 pp
but if the power selection is max level only,
it is down just 1 pp at level 17
and is ahead 1 pp at level 23.
Restrictive power selection though.
Multiclass into Psionic class, off the non-psi class
gets the same power points,
but with a psi at-will turned into an encounter only.
Still not bad.
Technically you end up with 1 enc and 1 at-will from the non-psi class
ahead of what a psionic class, or psi hybrid psi gets.
It might be the case, that the hybrid set-up
will have the best powerpoint massaging available.
Psi hybrid Psi multi Psi, gets too much MAD going, for my tastes.

[awaken DM golem]

Oh sure, the fluff of Monk got folded into psionics. And it's not like I don't wanna Tashalatora connection every now and then, I'm just a little old school on the psionics side of it all. What does "GAR" mean?

'GAR' basically means manly/badass. Be happy you don't know the term.

If he does, he'd be one of us.

So I googled "Gar slang" and clicked the I feel lucky button; the 4chan reference popped up. OK I get it.
The last time anybody said that to me, it involved:
drunkmoms
... google it. I can't get by the weenie-filter anymore. Warning: I hope you have a PG-13 or more moment ...