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« Reply #820 on: January 16, 2011, 06:46:57 PM » |
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Obviously, it'd outlast their entangle and by then we are out of their issue unless they have AoEs big enough to hit the whole area.
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« Reply #821 on: January 16, 2011, 09:27:21 PM » |
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It'd keep them from pelting us with those javelins as easily.
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« Reply #822 on: January 18, 2011, 07:26:01 AM » |
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Thorden raises a hand at the ogre, and sends a Hail of Stone at his square Z12.
To-hit: 7
Damage: 8, creates difficult terrain at that square.
I like this spell, overall, even though I totally just missed.
I never actually considered that it would still create rough terrain in a square on a miss. Honestly, even for a first level spell, I'm not sure it's really overpowered. What do you guys think? I think it gives a nice incentive to use an otherwise blast power. Also, given the increased miss chance (attack vs touch attack), it's nice to get something for it. Edit:Also, Flay, I didn't see what mods you used for your attack roll for Hail of Stone, but did you remember that you can substitute your Caster Level for your BAB for that attack roll? It still would have missed, but I put that in to help mitigate the fact that you're not rolling a touch attack. It still likely won't hit as often against many opponents, but at least it stops them from charging. |
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #823 on: January 18, 2011, 03:30:48 PM » |
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Ah, apparently I forgot to link to my rolls. It did use caster level, sadly enough.
I thought it didn't make terrain on a miss? I'm not gonna argue for it to not. The reality is, with one square of effecct initially, I suppose it wouldn't be terribly op.
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« Reply #824 on: January 19, 2011, 07:17:35 AM » |
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You're right. It doesn't. I didn't read my own damn spell.  Okay. I'll remove the terrain, but I'll still say the ogre only moved the 20 feet. I don't want to retcon it too much. |
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #825 on: January 19, 2011, 08:32:03 AM » |
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Actually, I dare say keeping it on a miss might be a desirable change to the spell. It's not that strong as it is, and well, why would the rubble care if you hit the target?
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"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
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« Reply #826 on: January 19, 2011, 09:23:23 AM » |
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Maybe you're right. I don't think it really breaks anything. It's a good counter-charge tactic, and it's not much better than that, other than maybe stopping someone from reaching someone else on a move-action. I'm wondering how well this fight is going to go. I'm worried it may veer into TPK territory simply because of Entangle. If it gets too bad, I apologize up front.  |
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #827 on: January 19, 2011, 11:35:06 AM » |
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I forgot these guys had reach weapons. That 12 damage hurts. Any more like that and Aepa is going down. I guess I just need to make sure that he can't hit me like that again.
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« Reply #828 on: January 19, 2011, 11:38:43 AM » |
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I forgot these guys had reach weapons. That 12 damage hurts. Any more like that and Aepa is going down. I guess I just need to make sure that he can't hit me like that again.
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« Reply #829 on: January 19, 2011, 12:05:31 PM » |
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You could 5ft step to I24 instead.
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« Reply #830 on: January 24, 2011, 07:50:51 AM » |
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Man, I should have rolled up a druid and used entangle against all the enemies in other encounters, we'd breeze through them.  Yeah, the least PC I ran solo with my current DM was a druid. I even went out of my way to not super-optimize (VoP and shapechange ACF), but Entangle was still the bee's knees. It was worse in that he was fairly permissive on when it would and wouldn't work. Basically, if I was above ground, it worked. Even in towns. I kept suggesting ways to nerf the spell so I wouldn't steam-roll encounters, but he didn't want to change it, so I kept using it. Quickened Entangle was probably my best use of a 5th level slot. |
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #831 on: February 01, 2011, 09:01:52 PM » |
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I know what you mean. I ran the numbers on a standard MM orc once, and if they fail their first save, they have a 7% chance to make both rolls, assuming a base DC of 14 for the spell. |
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #832 on: February 02, 2011, 12:22:01 AM » |
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I'm actually just prone waiting out the duration.
The check was just to see if I could get lucky.
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"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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« Reply #833 on: February 02, 2011, 07:26:50 AM » |
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Just to shoot ideas out there on killing plants for Entangle: Give each five-foot square 5 (maybe 10?) HP, damaged by slashing weapons or fire, or anything else that could make sense.
I'm not sure a good way to handle it. I'm not sure I'm worried about super-realism. If I were to treat it as a swarm, I might allow consecutive attacks with slashing weapons to drop both DCs by 1 or 2 each, even if they don't do HP damage. It's a little more complicated, but I'm not sure.
I'm curious what you think. I hate changing stuff in the middle of the game, so I usually want buy-in from the players if I do so mid game.
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #834 on: February 02, 2011, 10:40:56 AM » |
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Slashing damage shouldn't be as effective as aoe fire, but it also shouldn't be useless...
10hp per square, immune to weapon types other than slashing, half damage from single target attacks, full damage from aoe attacks, double damage from fire?
Should there be any scaling for the health?
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« Reply #835 on: February 02, 2011, 11:16:44 AM » |
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I don't think the HP should scale. The plants aren't becoming stronger.
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #836 on: February 02, 2011, 12:18:08 PM » |
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I still can't target the plants next to me, nor the ones in my square. Not with my guisarme, at least, and my spiked gauntlet won't work either.
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« Reply #837 on: February 03, 2011, 07:21:10 AM » |
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Other than Grizz not being able to take advantage, is everyone cool with this approach? 10hp per square, immune to weapon types other than slashing, half damage from single target attacks, full damage from aoe attacks, double damage from fire? |
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #838 on: February 03, 2011, 10:26:37 AM » |
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If you care, I found rules for underbrush clearing. It has clearing a space with a slashing weapon requiring only a full round action.
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« Reply #839 on: February 03, 2011, 11:03:16 AM » |
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Auto-success?
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Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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