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-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
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« Reply #761 on: December 22, 2010, 07:22:19 AM » |
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Assuming custom items are allowed, the easiest is constant Expeditious Retreat.
How much would that cost? Is that just 2,000 per the rulesGuidelines? I've always been weary of custom items. The cheapest continual item I know of is the Boots of Striding and Sprining. I'd have to dig out my MIC to see if there are any good x/day items in there at a low cost. Those kinds of things are usually more valuable in a PbP-type setting. |
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #762 on: December 22, 2010, 07:26:53 AM » |
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I may need to re-evaluate the spell lists a bit, and possibly make up new spells. I remember grabbing Hail of Stone because the 1st level list looked light, but it's really a crappy spell. I should either beef it up, or make a new spell. I won't change it during the fight, though.
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #763 on: December 22, 2010, 09:29:05 AM » |
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Boots of Expeditious Retreat
1 (spell level) * 1 (caster level) * 2000 (use activated or continous) * 2 (min/level duration) = 4000.
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« Reply #764 on: December 22, 2010, 09:37:41 AM » |
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That pretty much invalidates the Boots of Striding and Springing. This is why I've never been a fan of custom item rules.  |
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #765 on: December 22, 2010, 09:49:18 AM » |
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That pretty much invalidates the Boots of Striding and Springing. This is why I've never been a fan of custom item rules. My thoughts on that are, screw the existing items is it a fair price for what it does? 4k to add 30' to your land speed seems a bit cheap IMO. I would say if it were 15' it would probably be fair, mobility and immunities are more valuable in my eyes than just bigger numbers would be. For 30' I'd have a cost around 7000, should put it high enough to not be game breaking but low enough to be useful IMO. I just think that the game designers were rather random in their deciding on prices of certain items, or like blasting just went with older editions values despite everything else changing. |
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« Reply #766 on: December 22, 2010, 09:56:51 AM » |
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They are actually two magic items in one. One that carries longstrider and one that carries a +5 to jump. Due to being two items the price is increased. 3000 total for longstrider and 2500 for +5 to jump, it is the same price table used for both boots, just one is only inceasing speed because we don't care about the wasted jump.
If we were to increase S&S to 30, it would be 7750 (I think).
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« Reply #767 on: December 22, 2010, 11:08:58 AM » |
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I would say if it were 15' it would probably be fair, mobility and immunities are more valuable in my eyes than just bigger numbers would be. That's why I often take the Quick trait for people who aren't hulking brutes. |
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #768 on: December 22, 2010, 12:12:35 PM » |
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Boots of the Unending Journey are good for most characters I create. Even without the relic powers, you get +10 enhancement to speed for 4k, if you're NG, N, CN, LN, or NE. Not bad.
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« Reply #769 on: December 22, 2010, 01:42:40 PM » |
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Just to let you know, over the holidays, my posting might be sort of on and off. I'll have several days where I might not be around a computer much at all.
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #770 on: December 24, 2010, 09:47:35 AM » |
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So, we all know Hail of Stone sucks. What should I do to beef it up?
I kind of like the idea of making a ranged attack (not touch attack) that does slightly more damage than some of the other touch spells. Alternately, it does the same damage, but does something cool. I'm thinking of one of the following:
Medium range, ranged attack, 1d6 per caster level (cap 10d6).
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Medium range, ranged attack, 1d8 damage plus 1d8 per odd caster level (cap 5d8). Target rolls a Fort (Reflex instead?) save or falls prone.
Perhaps there is a size limitation on the prone effect, like they need to be the caster's size or smaller. Thoughts?
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #771 on: December 24, 2010, 11:30:57 AM » |
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I don't think prone is the right status for a rock being chucked at someone, maybe dazed/stun/etc?
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« Reply #772 on: December 24, 2010, 01:17:06 PM » |
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My God, I'm getting sloppy.
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« Reply #773 on: December 24, 2010, 04:17:55 PM » |
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I don't think prone is the right status for a rock being chucked at someone, maybe dazed/stun/etc?
Maybe not. Dazed or stunned could be a bit strong, but if it's a normal attack roll and save negates, it might be fine. My God, I'm getting sloppy.
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #774 on: December 25, 2010, 02:53:01 AM » |
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Stunned would be sweet, but dazed is probably more accurate. Granted, if we think of it as a hail of rocks bowling someone ove, prone sounds fine by me, and could actually be really sweet in combination with the other charrie's ranged strikes.
Also, at the family home, so sporatic if any posting tomorrow. Happy holidays all!
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« Reply #775 on: December 25, 2010, 04:11:28 AM » |
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Creating difficult terrain perhaps?
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"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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« Reply #776 on: December 25, 2010, 09:07:00 PM » |
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Creating difficult terrain perhaps?
Just in the square of the target? |
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #777 on: December 26, 2010, 02:02:39 AM » |
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For a 1st level spell, yeah. Think of it as a ground emitting burst of rocks rather than raining rocks.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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« Reply #778 on: December 27, 2010, 05:23:53 PM » |
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Okay. How about:
Medium range, ranged attack, 1d8 damage plus 1d8 per odd caster level (cap 5d8). Target square is filled with rocks, which creates difficult terrain. Creatures cannot charge or run through the square, and it takes an extra square of movement to move out of it, nor can they five-foot-step in or out of the square.
The effect is instantaneous, and the rocks cannot be dispelled.
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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« Reply #779 on: December 28, 2010, 04:05:37 AM » |
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I do like that, and it fits with the original class' hampering terrain abilities. I'd use that regularly enough, but does that indicate balance?...
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