[3.5] Clash of the Titans. Recruitment

[jojolagger]

Interested as a Dolgrim (ECS) warlock (with the Obah-blessed template (Dra 136) if it is allowed).
For the fluff a basically replace daelkyr with insane wizard and have the wizard be also working on taping demonic energy.

Also is Savage species allowed.
EDIT: the obah-blessed template basically is more arms, some stat bonuses, and multi-weapon fighting.

[altpersona]

the sanity entry in the srd says healing repairs sanity. except, if someone casts a spell on you, your gonna have a sanity issue w/ that..

[jojolagger]

Healing spells don't drain sanity.

[VennDygrem]

I'm currently building a Human tome Barbarian with some fiendish feats and such. Doesn't mean there can't be two similar characters.

I hope to god you mean the tome of war barbarian, because that shit is ridiculous.

Though not as ridiculous, I might have to go Human LolthHades-Touched Tome Monk and, similarly, be a mostly naked man that strangles the children of gods (reaD: monsters) to death with his hand. Singular, not plural. I mean, come on, according to these pots and statues, none of these heroes wore anything when killing things. Plus, the class is fairly boss. An alternate, less boosty but more abilities, might be half-minotaur, and be rather theme appropriate. But then again, I am going for the tougher than normal mortal child of a god "hero" idea.

My alt would be a slightly less ridic tome fighter, though that WOULD be boosting the crap out of leadership so that I could be a proper phalanx commander. No idea what the +1 LA would be for that one.

So Human Lolth/Hades-touched Tome Monk? Is he the brother of the Human Lolth-touched Tome Barbarian?
And yes, that's the Races of War barbarian.
Plenty of room for both, I imagine. Or, either-or.

Not done yet, obviously, still need to fill in a lot of stuff.

[bearsarebrown]

Oh man, we've already got a monk and a samurai!? Well... And gotcha @ the Divine Minion thing. I figured that was pushing the lines of balance I just wanted to check. 

Can I take Product of Infernal Dalliance and be good aligned? As in, my angel mother was raped by a fiend and gave birth to me? I think that type of backstory also fits well with Sanity rules/ 

[jojolagger]

I think the Dolgrim will be ending up more like a gish (than I intended), due to evil (not really evil in-game) feat prerequisites( :(as non of the feats I want are even referenced in the tomes). I want to get Multi-tasking (SS) but I need Improved multi-weapon fighting to get it. How would Multi-weapon fighting be handled in the tome games? As it replaces Two weapon fighting for those with multiple arm, it might just be pluralizing and changing two to multiple.

Also is their sanity resistance, if so, what type?

[VennDygrem]

@bears:I imagine you can be good-aligned the same as if you were a tiefling. Plus, flavor is mutable in this game, as the world is, I'm assuming, based on ancient Greek mythology. That's why I'm flavoring Lolth-touched and the Product of Infernal Dalliance feat bonuses as being the child of Hades (though I considered other Gods as well). However, my character isn't going to be evil. He actually hates his father, and does whatever he can to be anything but what Hades would want a child of his to be.

[bearsarebrown]

@Venn:I only asked because he seemed to imply that mechanical restrictions based on alignment still stand. And a good characters with an evil aura is weird. And, well, I'm just making sure. 

Now, what do I do with the characters?  Monk/Samurai is calling me, but I'm not sure. That Death Rider class looks pretty cool too. Why doesn't want a Skeletal Manticore with 340ft movement? I just worry that a straight martial character won't be able to keep up with things. And gishes are annoying to play at low levels. Yaaaarrrr what to do what to do....

[VennDygrem]

@Venn:I only asked because he seemed to imply that mechanical restrictions based on alignment still stand. And a good characters with an evil aura is weird. And, well, I'm just making sure.  

Works in my case since I can't help my parentage.

Also, are we using any of the rules from the Book of Gears along with the other Tome sourcebooks? Such as the minor magic item advancement rules? 

[Flay Crimsonwind]

So Human Lolth/Hades-touched Tome Monk? Is he the brother of the Human Lolth-touched Tome Barbarian?
And yes, that's the Races of War barbarian.
Plenty of room for both, I imagine. Or, either-or.

I'd be down with that, but I feel like it'd wind being a Greek tragedy to have two warrior brothers on a similar path. But yeah, that'd be sick if you're down to try working it out!

I've decided on that build, by the by. Gonna stat it up while writing an essay on the way the ipod interacts with culture. for 6 pages. FML, LAMF.

And bears, Martial charries are abundant in Greek myth! You'll stand up just fine!   I was contemplating a rider, but that skeletal manticore sounds like solid badassery. Maybe to make it a sphinx or something?   You could dress in green and call yourself the riddler!

--EDIT-- One thing...

Armored in Life (Su): A Monk has a special Armor bonus whenever they are not using armor or shields that he is not proficient in. This Armor Bonus applies against Touch Attacks and Incorporeal Touch Attacks, and has a value of +4. Every even numbered class level, the Armored in Life bonus increases by 1. If the Monk wears armor which he is proficient in (for example: normal clothing) that has an enhancement bonus, that enhancement bonus applies to his Armored in Life Armor Bonus.

I can has class armor bonus AND wear armor (if I get proficiency) for it's bonus?

[VennDygrem]

--EDIT-- One thing...

Armored in Life (Su): A Monk has a special Armor bonus whenever they are not using armor or shields that he is not proficient in. This Armor Bonus applies against Touch Attacks and Incorporeal Touch Attacks, and has a value of +4. Every even numbered class level, the Armored in Life bonus increases by 1. If the Monk wears armor which he is proficient in (for example: normal clothing) that has an enhancement bonus, that enhancement bonus applies to his Armored in Life Armor Bonus.

I can has class armor bonus AND wear armor (if I get proficiency) for it's bonus?

Yep. That's why I was considering dipping a level of Tome Monk myself. +4 AC and a Fighting Style? Don't mind if I do.

[Flay Crimsonwind]

--EDIT-- One thing...

Armored in Life (Su): A Monk has a special Armor bonus whenever they are not using armor or shields that he is not proficient in. This Armor Bonus applies against Touch Attacks and Incorporeal Touch Attacks, and has a value of +4. Every even numbered class level, the Armored in Life bonus increases by 1. If the Monk wears armor which he is proficient in (for example: normal clothing) that has an enhancement bonus, that enhancement bonus applies to his Armored in Life Armor Bonus.

I can has class armor bonus AND wear armor (if I get proficiency) for it's bonus?

Yep. That's why I was considering dipping a level of Tome Monk myself. +4 AC and a Fighting Style? Don't mind if I do.

Well, damn. I've got a force shield, might need to switch out whirlwind for armor proficiency for mithril armor or somesuch. Cause, damn, buying +1 mithril shirt to get my ac to 30 would be kinda nice, seeing as I've got concealment when I need it too. you fight big, my nigh-titan brother; I fight annoying.

Also, damn you got your str high. Is that maxing it out + lolth-touched + size increase?

[bearsarebrown]

Armor bonuses don't stack.

[Flay Crimsonwind]

Armor bonuses don't stack.

Was about to quote the last line, but reading over it again, it's only the armor's enhancement bonus. So only if you have magic armor do you get the bonus to AC. Thank you for that clarity! My 25/29 with fighting style will have to do for now.

[bearsarebrown]

Power Attack is a standard attack option but Weapon Finesse isn't? What?!

[bearsarebrown]

Knight 1/Samurai 3/Bone Rider 1
With normal charging tactics. I think...

@Hijax, Bone Rider grants Blackguard spellcasting but suggests that for characters with levels in Paladin, the spells lists of the two are added together for the class. What if I just want to be a good aligned Bone Rider without Paladin levels? Can I cast from the Paladin spell list instead?  

Does Pounce work if your mount charges?

EDIT: OMG Samurai don't get ride inclass? What the fuck?!
EDIT2: Bone Riders have Animate Dead in their Table but no reference in text. Am I correct to assume that means... nothing?

[VennDygrem]

Armor bonuses don't stack.

Was about to quote the last line, but reading over it again, it's only the armor's enhancement bonus. So only if you have magic armor do you get the bonus to AC. Thank you for that clarity! My 25/29 with fighting style will have to do for now.

Agh, I can't believe I read about that wrong somehow.

As for the strength, I could have gotten it higher. I could have gone Orc and put max points into Str. That would've given my 36 str total, but I figured it's not all about just getting super high stats. I also wanted to get that extra Human bonus feat.

[Hijax]

trying to address all the questions. ask again if i missed your question.

yes, product of infernal dalliance and true fiend can have different fiend subtypes.

Sun school may be taken if you have monk levels.

kellkheraptis: well, fuck you. no you cant.

although, if the rest of the party was fine with it, we could run a campaign where your blasphemous habit of being too powerful for your own good were the actual reason for this Divine Housecleaning. the rest of the party would have to be über-powerful too, of course.

yeah, anything too weird will affect everyone who sees you. humanoids or monstrous humanoids that resembles normal humanoids very close will not trigger this, but if you start on elder eidolon mimics, you gotta make the roll.

you can recover sanity by heal checks, or some spells(check the rules in unearthed arcana)

savage species is in, and i do not own that issue, so Obah is in if you can refer me to an online source.

if you go angel/product of infernal dalliance, be ready to get focus fire from every god servant you meet. these gods are the sort of people who will ignore the part of you that shares their alignment and focus on the rest.

NO SANITY RESISTANCE FOR YOU

book of gears allowed on a case-by-case basis.

no casting from paladin spell list with good-aligned bone riders.

pounce works with your mount charging

[Prime32]

Blink dog
4d10 HD
Good BAB, Good Fort+Ref
2+Int skills
Ability mods: Str -2, Dex +2, Con +0, Int +0, Wis +2, Cha -2

Treated as lv3/3HD for all purposes.


I think I'll add two PHB monk levels to that. Can I trade the Combat Reflexes bonus feat for Tome's Horde Breaker?

[Hijax]

Blink dog
4d10 HD
Good BAB, Good Fort+Ref
2+Int skills
Ability mods: Str +2, Dex +2, Con +0, Int -2, Wis +0, Cha -2

Treated as lv3/3HD for all purposes.


I think I'll add two PHB monk levels to that. Can I trade the Combat Reflexes bonus feat for Tome's Horde Breaker?

yeah, do that.