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PrC found in Players Guide to Faerun, but in the back, in the Exalted section. Pretty neat class, granting either 5/10 casting or 5 bonus feats, Divine Grace, and one very special ability called Holy Suffering, which grants a +1 bonus on attacks, skills, and saving throws for the next Class Level rounds for every 10 damage you take. It's basically persisted Masochism with longer lasting bonuses. Now I know that 5/10 casting blows, but you can get this ability without losing 9s. So, now what?
Cleric 15/Martyred 5 is the simplest possible stub. Go DMM Persist and persist Delay Death and Beastland Ferocity(from an item) each day. Then Chain Shield Other as many things as you can. And have something on standby to not let you die 24 hours later. Strong fast healing will actually work, even Fast Healing 1 will heal 200HP an hour. Greater Vigor will heal 800HP an hour, which, well, I sure hope is enough. Other ideas? Divine Sacrifice from SpC adds 5d6 damage to one attack per round at the cost of 10HP, that's pretty nice. The Saint Template fits thematically(perfectly) and if you LA buyoff then the Fast Healing and Magic Circle can come in handy. Harper Paragon 2 is pretty neat for Favored Enemy (Evil) when combined with Nemesis(BoED). If you can somehow swing a LG character having a torture chamber then you just Shield Other and go to town.
Big problems? Losing buffs. What can be done to avoid the dreaded Dispel at all costs? Losing Delay Death will absolutely kill the character. Any ideas? A contingency? Special Mount holding a charge of Revify? Or does the mount cease to exist when you die....
Possible builds
Cloistered Cleric 3/Church Inquisitor 3/Martyred 5/Harper Paragon 2/PrC Pally 1/XXXX??
I don't know where to go from here. It's already all over the place and just can't lose another caster level.
Something 6/Martyred 2/Ur Priest 2/ Martyered +3/XXXXXX?
Completely different flavor on the same concept.
things I'm looking for
-surviving after 24 hours of Delay Death
-surviving a Dispel Magic/AMF
-how to really pump out my damage intake
-thematically appropriate PrCs/spells/abilities
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Anklebite
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« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2010, 02:29:18 AM » |
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or you could just play a full cleric with nipple-clamps.
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« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 02:30:07 AM » |
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but then you're a cleric with nipple clamps
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Suzerain
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 02:33:25 AM » |
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Wasn't this one of LoP's original dirty tricks?
Combine with affinity field to create an infinite feedback loop to deal infinite damage. Exploit that. Then drown yourself to get back to 0HP and go from there.
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2010, 02:36:40 AM » |
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That dirty trick used Masochism instead of this class I believe, but yes, pretty much. But I'm looking for some CO applications, not TO wankery.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2010, 02:38:10 AM » |
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That dirty trick used Masochism instead of this class I believe, but yes, pretty much. But I'm looking for some CO applications, not TO wankery.
well, the problem is, is that without some serious TBS wankery, dispel magic is really going to ruin your day. |
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2010, 02:57:30 AM » |
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That dirty trick used Masochism instead of this class I believe, but yes, pretty much. But I'm looking for some CO applications, not TO wankery.
well, the problem is, is that without some serious TBS wankery, dispel magic is really going to ruin your day. ring of greater counterspells. boom bam, no dispel magic for me. |
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2010, 03:00:40 AM » |
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That dirty trick used Masochism instead of this class I believe, but yes, pretty much. But I'm looking for some CO applications, not TO wankery.
well, the problem is, is that without some serious TBS wankery, dispel magic is really going to ruin your day. ring of greater counterspells. boom bam, no dispel magic for me. gonna need another for greater dispel. and spelltheft and reaving dispel and ect ect ect blah. |
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2010, 07:33:59 AM » |
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Spellblades solve that, as does Spell Turning.
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2010, 09:37:07 AM » |
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Ring of Enduring Arcana helps also. +4 To CL vs. Dispels. 6,000Gp.
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2010, 09:45:45 AM » |
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DWEOMERKEEPER. Got it.
Still have to worry about AMF field though. Ideas on that? Things like IoM only let you cast, they don't protect buffs in place...
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2010, 11:29:23 AM » |
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DWEOMERKEEPER. Got it.
Still have to worry about AMF field though. Ideas on that? Things like IoM only let you cast, they don't protect buffs in place...
artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities?  |
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2010, 02:55:25 PM » |
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artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities? You dirty, dirty black mage. Stop turning me on! |
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An interesting read, nice to see a civil discussion The point of Spell Resistance is to make it harder to get buffed. And healed. Don't forget that. Huge amounts of people are fuckwits. That doesn't mean that fuckwit is a valid lifestyle. Old Geezer's Law of Hobby Taste: The more objectively inconsequential a hobby is, the more disagreements within the community will be expressed in outrageously insulting, overblown, and ludicrously emotionally laden terms. More Funny than HumbleYour a shifter... you have all you ever need. It blows MoMF out of the water But if your greedy for more [ Wish] for something that only effects you, like another class level or two that doesn't count against your ECL. Yes, I'm the 3.0 "Masters of the Wild" shifter, the awesome kind. My favorite form to take is Force Dragon. Yes, I am immortal ... My character is hands down the coolest guy in the campaign and there is nothing I could possibly want. PBMC gets a cookie for DotA r |
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 03:00:51 PM » |
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artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities? You dirty, dirty black mage. Stop turning me on! well, since its not possible to craft artifacts by youself(unless you use ice assassin tactics to get divine ranks), its a moot point(unless you have a very nice DM) |
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2010, 12:42:00 PM » |
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artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities? You dirty, dirty black mage. Stop turning me on! well, since its not possible to craft artifacts by youself(unless you use ice assassin tactics to get divine ranks), its a moot point(unless you have a very nice DM) Technically, if you break down every artifact in the DMG, they are just normal items that would require epic levels (due to caster level requirements in original core), or have a value over 200k, which is essentially the same thing. Nothing done with those can't be done with a single level of epic, so you don't technically need to be a deity... |
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
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Hijax
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2010, 01:00:06 PM » |
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artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities? You dirty, dirty black mage. Stop turning me on! well, since its not possible to craft artifacts by youself(unless you use ice assassin tactics to get divine ranks), its a moot point(unless you have a very nice DM) Technically, if you break down every artifact in the DMG, they are just normal items that would require epic levels (due to caster level requirements in original core), or have a value over 200k, which is essentially the same thing. Nothing done with those can't be done with a single level of epic, so you don't technically need to be a deity... we want artifact status because those aren't suppressed by antimagic field, and can only be dispelled by MDJ(and then only with a pretty low chance). though, maybe this is true of epic items, too. can't remember. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2010, 01:01:29 PM » |
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artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities? You dirty, dirty black mage. Stop turning me on! well, since its not possible to craft artifacts by youself(unless you use ice assassin tactics to get divine ranks), its a moot point(unless you have a very nice DM) Technically, if you break down every artifact in the DMG, they are just normal items that would require epic levels (due to caster level requirements in original core), or have a value over 200k, which is essentially the same thing. Nothing done with those can't be done with a single level of epic, so you don't technically need to be a deity... we want artifact status because those aren't suppressed by antimagic field, and can only be dispelled by MDJ(and then only with a pretty low chance). though, maybe this is true of epic items, too. can't remember. Could always be argued that since the epic rules weren't around when those were written, epic items should be considered artifacts, even if only lesser ones... |
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie. |
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Hijax
Donkey Kong
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Kobolds ate my cookies
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2010, 01:02:34 PM » |
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artifacts with all your buffs as continuous abilities? You dirty, dirty black mage. Stop turning me on! well, since its not possible to craft artifacts by youself(unless you use ice assassin tactics to get divine ranks), its a moot point(unless you have a very nice DM) Technically, if you break down every artifact in the DMG, they are just normal items that would require epic levels (due to caster level requirements in original core), or have a value over 200k, which is essentially the same thing. Nothing done with those can't be done with a single level of epic, so you don't technically need to be a deity... we want artifact status because those aren't suppressed by antimagic field, and can only be dispelled by MDJ(and then only with a pretty low chance). though, maybe this is true of epic items, too. can't remember. Could always be argued that since the epic rules weren't around when those were written, epic items should be considered artifacts, even if only lesser ones... dude, epic rules are 3.0(i think). so i'm pretty sure they were. |
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2010, 01:43:31 PM » |
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The artifacts were copy-pasted from 3.0 to 3.5.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.
Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY! They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.
Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.
Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time. I give you much fu. Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie. |
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Hijax
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2010, 01:55:49 PM » |
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The artifacts were copy-pasted from 3.0 to 3.5.
lazy bastard WotC. But, epic rules says somewhere that even epic items cannot contain an epic spell, you need an artifact for that. |
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