Looking for players: In shadows of kingdoms

[mans0011]

Okay, some quick questions:

[...]

If I buy off a level adjustment, should I figure xp normally or should I go back and figure out xp from being behind a level?

What do you mean? If you buy off your level adjustment, your HD will == your Class Level which will == your ECL.

Well assuming both templates can be bought off at level 3, then should I figure higher xp gained for 4 and 5 to make up taking on higher challenge rating stuff, assuming I am facing the same challenge rating as the rest of the group to get to level 6 xp.

the only problem with that is that you haven't actually done anything to recoup that experience. :-/

[Sohala]

Okay, some quick questions:

[...]

If I buy off a level adjustment, should I figure xp normally or should I go back and figure out xp from being behind a level?

What do you mean? If you buy off your level adjustment, your HD will == your Class Level which will == your ECL.

Well assuming both templates can be bought off at level 3, then should I figure higher xp gained for 4 and 5 to make up taking on higher challenge rating stuff, assuming I am facing the same challenge rating as the rest of the group to get to level 6 xp.

the only problem with that is that you haven't actually done anything to recoup that experience. :-/

Well I did not mean all of it, that happens about 8th level, assuming that we do increased xp by the amount of xp gained for a whole level. But, I now relized that I have to pick between a buy off or leadership to start with...

[Shadowhunter]

I'm always interested in Gestalt.
That's just how it is
If more the merrier, I hope I'm not too late to the party (pun not intended)?

Dragon Magazine material is not available I take it?

Thinking of a Dex-based hand-crossbow "gunslinger".

However, it relies very much upon Dragon Compendium 1, Dragon 310 aswell as Drow of the Underdark and PHB2.

So perhaps I should find something else?

[Flay Crimsonwind]

Thinking of a Dex-based hand-crossbow "gunslinger".

See my charrie, if it's more about the image of a gunslinger and not about the weapons. It'd always be welcomed to have a second gunner in the team; maybe an int based one, for some comical scenes of the charismatically showy and potent gunner and the ruthlessly efficient expert marksman gunner. Not to put ideas in your head or anything, by all means do what feels good. From a DIFFERENT game! Wow, this is when you know you have too many....

[mans0011]

[...] by all means do what feels good.

That's what she said.   

[LargePrime]

I think these are all the stormcrow posts for your review.

Looking for players: In shadows of kingdoms

I am looking to see if there is any on interested in playing a game set in a home brew world were the players will be starting out as trained recruits for a spy like organisation know as the Shadow Core the first few missions will be based on the makeup of the group doing missions that can cover intelligence gathering, espionage assassination or something in between so the party has a feel for each other. Bur first i think i should give you an overview of the world.  

Regions and short description as viewed by the state of white Gryhon  

White Gryphon The mountains of the Northern edge surrounded by 3 sides by water there region is mountainous but small, there capital White Gripion is a towered city overlooking the sea, the many mages and magical creatures call the region Home for they haven made alliances with many factions such as Metallic Dragons and there worshipers of Bahamut the dragoon born. As well as many clans of were wolfs , dwarfs, elves and just about any group that are willing to live by its laws. There is no one main religion for there in any city you will find one large temple with shrines to most of the Gods.  There army is made up of a small but professional force with orders of knights as well as dragon riders and well as other riders of other kind of magical beasts such as gryphons and large standing Navy, but there real weapon is in there spy networks for time and time agene the council as said that the they will not interfere with the conflicts but will not attack and will not attack in turn. So they really on teams of highly skilled operatives trained in the rolls of intelligence gathering, espionage assassination and the appropriate counters.   They are called by many as the Shadow Core

Mithros = A city state with a large plains in farm land with access to the sea. The Dominant religion is that of the Shining Light of Pelor well despite all there go intention the church has taken over the government and the taken over main city of Ravens Bluff were they teach that Magic (not controlled by the church)  and Darkness is Evil (or what the high priests call evil )and must be destroyed.  There armies fall under two types the conscripts of the people with are many cases people taken form there communal farms (ran by the church) and told that they will defend their homes and that of the church itself with many Elite  warriors and well trained spell casters in its ranks.  

Hollowfaust the City of Necromancers in a nations strength is judged by its power in the arcan arts it is very strong, but also very mysterious, Surrounded by swam and marsh land the main power group there is it’s Mages Council, the Two main religions in that area are of Nerull and Hextor. Currently they are at war with Mithros if you can call it one, Mithros sends out attacking armies will Hollowfaust destroys them and uses there dead to bolster their defense. So far Hollowfaust armies have not left their borders.

The elf kingdoms is a collection of 6 Feudal states under one high king very little is known for they are very isolationists in their heavy wood and there true power is extremely hard to gage. But most that enter there region are never seen alive.


Character creation rules;
lvl 6 gestalt character
42 point buy
no restrictions on class
full hp per level
Party size = more the better.

Ooh, I've always wanted to play in a full gestalt game...

Are there any racial restrictions? If yes/no, does LA take up one or both sides of the Gestalt?

I will let it go with one side and the MAX LA is 5[/b]

couple of questions:
Lvl 6 builds but how far do you think we would progress? IE is it worth a build that won't come to full power for another hand full of levels?
You say no class restrictions does that include waiving duel progression PrCs?
Any Race restrictions?
I take it from your description the party should be neutral or evil?

I was hoping to leave the game more open ended at first you are given a objective I will not the players how to perform but the world has many events going on at the same time it is how the world reacts to it I am also expecting a high PC fatality rate as well in this campaign.  The reasons i can’t say with out spoiling the surprise.

as for the max level i don't know it will depend on the party and how the players do for i will admit i will reward players for good role playing over there skill in combat.

I am interested but would not mind more rules being laid out, like the already mentioned duel progression classes, I would assume you will cap caster level to character level, but who knows.

We are discussing 3-3.5, right?

Are there any forbidden books?

Good movie choice by the way archangel.arcanis.

forbidden books no but i do want you to state your source books as for duel progression classes remember there is a caster level cap of character level unless there is a feat that rases the caster level that the RAW will allow it

I'm fine with a high fatality rate as long as it isn't arbitrary or a bait and switch (kill this lvl 5 merchant, in reality he is a lvl 20 druid//cleric/10 dips with full casting progression, and we are lvl 8)

Will resurrection be an option or should be have several backup characters in mind and possibly built as well?

I assume what you mean by more rewards for role playing than combat is bonus xp and other nice non-xp bonuses, like making an ally to provide useful info or gear etc...

How about duel progression classes? I know gestalt says they are a no no but you said no class restrictions so i just want some clarification before I start brainstorming something like an RKV or some such.

I assume flavor is mutable and if we want a class that requires a deity that doesn't exist in your world we can work together to figure something out.

Resurrection = that will depend on the scenario and if the party recover the body. And if they can afford it.  There will be xp bonuses for good replaying and what i mean by high fatality rate is lets say you are given an operation in the city of Raven’s Bluff and it goes bad, the an alarm is rased and there are people that can recognise your face or you publicly have arcane battle with paladins in the streets being a wanted man will make the missions harder. You may what to try to publicly fake your death...

Is Dragonlance material open?

sorry I don't have any dragion lance Material so no

but i do have most all the Ebbron books , most of the the Orental Adventures and about half of the forggoten realms as well as I think 90% of the ones wizzards made.

and most of the Ravenloft books

re-listing my questions:
1. can i get into SCM without being a gnome?
2. can i use the kobold caster cheese(dragonwrought kobold, using loredrake on it, greater draconic rite of passage)
3. (new) can i make custom mantles for ardent?

1. what book is it from so I can see the rules (I don't know it off the top of my head
2. I am ok with some min / max rule abuse if it is in the raw  but please no pun puns
3. ardents are from what ?

as for the can i make custom mantles for ardent?

I after reading it over the sections I will say no the other 2 questions will take some more time to answer as I read them over and think about and some pg number will help

as to the

Can I use weapon finesse to apply to touch attacks? It seems like touch attacks are natural and/or light weapons

the RAW says yes for a caster but I was going to view them as spells.

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Also, how do you handle polymorph/metamorphosis
see RAW

Looks like Phrenic Pixie is out of the question, too. Hmmm.

Also: What about Weapon Finesse?

What about how you handle polymorph/metamorphosis?

Can I use weapon finesse to apply to touch attacks? It seems like touch attacks are natural and/or light weapons

the RAW says yes for a caster but I was going to view them as spells.

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Also, how do you handle polymorph is going buy the Rules as Written

Flaws max of 2

Standard wealth by level yes

Swift blade i will allow it  
Aba just use the highest of the two classes
Artificers and crafting well your characters will get some odd down time here and there

But i think i should also remind you guys that one of the areas has good odds of a angry mob for publicly being a mage of something to lynch, do to their own ignorance

To answer the question of the SCM I will allow it but i am changeing one of the requirements for that PRC and that is the ability to cast a lvl 3 spell
I feel this may be subject for abuse but after carful consideration i will allow a Dragonwrought Kobold to qualify as a true dragon but under that that not any effect that was meant to target dragons example favoured enemies will also effect you.
I will allow Thrallherd so long as you meet the requirements. For that prc.

And remember only one prc at a time.

as for the spells for powers no

Ok templates i am fine so long as if it is +1 then you have to give up one class spot example  a lvl 2 warblade // wizard /dark template

also can i get every one to post there character sheets on

http://www.myth-weavers.com/forumhome.php

And remember only one prc at a time.

Drats...was hoping that was skipped with the "no restrictions on class".

you can do prc // class

no prc // prc

hijax could you resend the link with out the hyper link becoues it is not working ?

greater draconic rite of passage and draconic reservoirallowed?

fixed.

good research i will allow it

about the Mindbender i will allow it still (still looking for the prc )

also I think I should also let you guys know i was going over my notes it is a rated R game so just a heads up on that

As for the mind bender now that i have read it over I will allow the modification you requested but as for taking the class you still have to meet the requirements

As for Legendary weapons at the start let me think on it ... ... ... hell no you have to find them. Research them then find and or kill the pore bustard that already has it.

as to the feets and stances ok i will give i gess

as for the custom legendary weapons be me the stats and i will look at it i may or may not put it in the campaign ( and yes there is hidden places of power or powerful characters that already have most legendary items but like i said it depends on what it is

as to the feets and stances ok i will give i gess

as for the custom legendary weapons be me the stats and i will look at it i may or may not put it in the campaign ( and yes there is hidden places of power or powerful characters that already have most legendary items but like i said it depends on what it is

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Psionic_Variant_-_Natural_Psion_%283.5e_Template%29

how do you feel about this template?

and do you allow buy backs?

buy backs yes and the template yes

thank good public libraries have free internet but i have to make this brief

ok found a spot at a liberty to pop in for a bit right now as for the Sohala question see the raw

as for the question of thralls and cohorts yes they are gestalt and also well as the majority of named NPC characters

as for the rouge aspects of the game there is some were other knowledge outside of the assignment briefing  could prove useful example so far there is a few missions do to the current nature of the group you will be using the cover as a group of mercenaries.  but also a good charisma check with gather info of the right people will not hurt as well

[LargePrime]

looking at the character sheets submitted so far, and thinking about Gestalt, I have some concerns.

Obviously Gestalt increases damage output.  But hit points do not have any increase.  In looking at the submitted sheets I see a lot of hit points for all but Naan, who prolly has trixy Kobald Tricks.

So Do I need to worry about my 30 HP?  Feeling kind of squishy...

Oh, and can one change a sheet name on Myth Weavers?

[VennDygrem]

Well, Gestalt is capable of increasing hitpoints in that if you pair a wizard with a Warblade, you've suddenly got a wizard with d12 HD instead of d4, for instance.

However, some of the more fun and/or appropriate gestalt combos won't necessarily be able to afford you that kind of leap, resulting in pairs of d6 classes, or the like.

Though, I believe Stormcrow said max HP, so already given your last build stub, your hp should be at least 42 not counting extra hp from con.

[Shadowhunter]

Actually, given the nature of the rest of the group, I feel that my initial idea may be somewhat... lacking.

Upon having slept (I posted that comment at around five in the morning where I'm at), I get the feeling I should stick with something easier.

I've seen a Warblade/Psion idea here, but according to the list that's you Flay.
And you're obviously a gun mage.

So I was thinking something like this instead:

Changeling Rogue 2/Warblade 4//Egoist 6.

Changeling sub. levels for both Rogue and Egoist are really good.
Both in races of eberron, for reference.
Building towards a modified Meditant, credit to JanusJones.
Sure, with less that full inititator level, it will take 2 levels instead of 1 to reach Ruby Nightmare Blade.
But playing infiltrator/spy/assassin with only Warblade and Psion skills?

Not a good idea really.

[Sohala]

LA buy off reduces WLB?

[LargePrime]

Actually, given the nature of the rest of the group, I feel that my initial idea may be somewhat... lacking.

Upon having slept (I posted that comment at around five in the morning where I'm at), I get the feeling I should stick with something easier.

I've seen a Warblade/Psion idea here, but according to the list that's you Flay.
And you're obviously a gun mage.

So I was thinking something like this instead:

Changeling Rogue 2/Warblade 4//Egoist 6.

Changeling sub. levels for both Rogue and Egoist are really good.
Both in races of eberron, for reference.
Building towards a modified Meditant, credit to JanusJones.
Sure, with less that full inititator level, it will take 2 levels instead of 1 to reach Ruby Nightmare Blade.
But playing infiltrator/spy/assassin with only Warblade and Psion skills?

Not a good idea really.

I was thinking about this as well.  Are we doing a division of labor, or every man for himself?  This artificer can prolly disable traps and infiltrate/exfiltrate, but, like all of us, I don't have a lot of skills wrapped up.  I got some handy tricks up my sleeves to keep us safe, as I hope we all do.

What do we do if the dreaded mob forms that stormcrow warned us about?  Other scenarios are also frightening.  I imagine we would have talked about this in our service for the White Gryphon.

Also I was thinking that I could give a discount of 25% on any needed magical items you need that I can craft.  If you take me up on this please write my artificer "Sil MacJackson"* into your background in some way.  
*Name subject to change if it does not fit in the "shadow core" context.
My Sheet.  A work in progress.

[VennDygrem]

LA buy-off shouldn't reduce WBL. You should still be of the proper ECL, or at least most DMs would not hinder you by reducing it.

[LargePrime]

LA buy-off shouldn't reduce WBL. You should still be of the proper ECL, or at least most DMs would not hinder you by reducing it.

Neat question!  LA buyoff reduces ECL, right?  It assumes you will catch up as XP compensates.  But what about wealth?  If you were playing you would get the standard wealth.  Thusly I would say wealth should be the standard 13Kgp.
But another interesting question.  If you buy off +1LA, you are now a 5th level character.  But you are supposed to be a 6th level character to start.  Do you get an extra free level, or should the "starting level 6" be revised to 15K xp to start?

[Hallack]

How would buy off work with our Gestalt LA taking up only one side of progression?

[Sohala]

How would buy off work with our Gestalt LA taking up only one side of progression?

Well, I have 2 +1 templates so I was thinking to spread the LA taking up both sides of level one so then I might be able to buy both off at once at level 3. But it has not been answered if I can do that yet.

[Hallack]

That would be easy enough if allowed to put LA on both sides.  Not so much if he makes us put them all on one side.

[mans0011]

How would buy off work with our Gestalt LA taking up only one side of progression?

Well, I have 2 +1 templates so I was thinking to spread the LA taking up both sides of level one so then I might be able to buy both off at once at level 3. But it has not been answered if I can do that yet.

LAs only on one side, unfortunately.

Also, Janus will have plenty of infiltration, extraction, disguising, interfacing, shakedowning, planar-binding, lock-picking, trap-disabling capabilities. It's quite possible you guys will never see his real face/self, even. Muwahahahaha.

[Sohala]

Ooh, I've always wanted to play in a full gestalt game...

Are there any racial restrictions? If yes/no, does LA take up one or both sides of the Gestalt?

I will let it go with one side and the MAX LA is 5

Only mentions keeping LA to one side to keep level loss due to them down to one instead of two (both sides).

[mans0011]

Ooh, I've always wanted to play in a full gestalt game...

Are there any racial restrictions? If yes/no, does LA take up one or both sides of the Gestalt?

I will let it go with one side and the MAX LA is 5

Only mentions keeping LA to one side to keep level loss due to them down to one instead of two (both sides).

that's true, he said "I'll allow up to +5 LA on one side" and not anything about having, for example, +5 on both sides. However, I think that taking:
LA // LA, where LA both are the same template or race... that's a bit suspect.

[Sohala]

Ooh, I've always wanted to play in a full gestalt game...

Are there any racial restrictions? If yes/no, does LA take up one or both sides of the Gestalt?

I will let it go with one side and the MAX LA is 5

Only mentions keeping LA to one side to keep level loss due to them down to one instead of two (both sides).

that's true, he said "I'll allow up to +5 LA on one side" and not anything about having, for example, +5 on both sides. However, I think that taking:
LA // LA, where LA both are the same template or race... that's a bit suspect.

Chameleon and dark are different. 
Also I think the +5 is a total on LA for each character.