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JohnnyMayHymn
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« on: May 04, 2011, 09:12:42 AM »

/*******     It's late and I'm going to finish editing a bit later      ********/
The Emperor assumes this interpretation of Bloodlines, the literal definition of "before", and that Bloodlines simply give +1 when calculating, getting around the "best progression" rule.
It also assumes a literal interpretation of master spellthief, allowing bloodlines to count in the calculation of both arcane and spellthief "levels".
Because he's the Emperor, and what he says goes.
Uses KellKheraptis'sOmnicaster and Arcane Swordsage + TOAL for two methods to get every spell in the game.
Assumes rebuking classes stack for determining HD of undead the Emperor can command.
Oh, evidence to support the fact that three bloodlines should be allowed, chew on that one for a while Twitch.

N Human (anticipate going NE at some point due to the killing of thralls nearly daily... Shrug)

Gestalt
"Side A"
any 3 major bloodlines levels 1-9, (alternating to avoid XP penalty) ~can squeeze a feat or two if redundant~
111 222 333  binder4, Arcane Swordsage3, ardent4(not necessarily in that order)

"Side B"
Cloistered Cleric1(Rebuke, Boccob: Knowledge, Magic, Trickery), Binder1, Spellthief1, Arcane Unarmed Swordsage(Arc-SS)1, Ardent1(Magic, Fate), Thrallherd1, Fiend of Possession6, Thrallherd1, KoSS1, dread necromancer1,  binder2, Arc-SS2, ardent1,


EBL 26= binder7 (+9 bloodline) + KoSS1 (+9bloodline)
ML 25 = ardent6 (+9 bloodline) + thrallherd(+1) (+9 bloodline)
CL 25 = Arcane Swordsage6 (+9 bloodline) + Spellthief1(from master spellthief) (+9 bloodline)
Steal Spell as 35th level = Spellthief1 (+9 bloodline) + Arcane Swordsage6 (+9 bloodline) + Dread Necromancer1 (+9 bloodline)
Rebuke as level 20 = Cloistered Cleric1 (+9 bloodline) + Dread Necromancer1 (+9 bloodline)
Thrallherd 11 + character level + CHA mod for leadership score
FoP +15 worth of enhancements while possessing weapons

/**** Prerequisite's notes: not done finalizing these... shooting for no flaws ****/

Thrallherd         -->a few weeks worth of thralls combined WBL pays for Ritual of alignment(for FOP pre-req)
                      -->an Artificer thrall can craft a Tomb of Ancient Lore
                   -->thrall takes leadership, Psicrystal Affinity, Improved Psicrystal for
                          NI leadership tree, high level cohort's thralls manifest Psychic Chirurgery
                          to give you any/all psionic powers
    Feat: Inquisitor(wis 13)
    diplomacy4
    know(psi)8
    ML5 + mindlink(will most likely custom mantle for this)

FOP
    Feat: Otherworldly(outsider type) -human 1st
    Ritual of Alignment(Evil Subtype)just a shit ton of gold, np
    Will save +5
    hide6
    know(arcana)6

KoSS
    know(arcana, religion OR the planes)5
    Feat: Weapon Focus(any)
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 07:52:43 PM »

It's hard to be impressed with anything that uses Gestalt rules, to be honest.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 08:45:04 PM »

Yeah esp with a near infinite caster level option Wink
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2011, 01:49:22 AM »

Heretic! The Emperor is at least 20 HD outsider with 20 levels in the Space Marine class and a divine rank of 0 (for now..). Expect inquisitorial drop pods to land near your location at any time, your unholy presence must be purged with holy flames, and we are currently considering to virus bomb your planet just for good measure.

Until then, have a nice day.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2011, 04:45:44 PM »

" ... Denisovan ... "
Not that often something like this shows up on a D&D board.
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I don't have UA, so I don't know if more than one Bloodline
can be had. The SRD uses singular words to describe "bloodline".
Certainly if one uses PLZ's interpretation of bloodlines,
this isn't even vaguely possible. But hey, T.O. is different.
One on both sides seems legit, considering you could
be a Monster on one side, and then change monster-stuff
on the other. But stacking a whole bunch ... I've no idea.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2011, 05:13:46 PM »

You can't have more than one prc when gestalting and I don't think you can have the same class on both sides.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2011, 06:58:15 PM »

Illumian Binder 1/Ardent 2/Anima Mage 8/Crusader 1/Master of Nine 5/Bloodline 3

Assumes you may use the bloodline to snag feats (supported) and even uses the more conservative use as levels, despite how myself and PBMC use them.

Feats : Improved Binding, Practiced Manifester, Improved Sigil (Krau)
Mantle : Magic

EBL = 4 (Binder) + 11 (Anima Mage) + 2 Improved Binding + 3 (Krau) = 20 8th level vestiges
IL = 5.5 (Non-IL) + 4 (Crusader) + 8 (Master of Nine ) = 17.5 9th level maneuvers
ML = 5 (Ardent) + 11 (Anima Mage) + 4 (Practiced Manifester) + 3 (Krau) = 22 9th level powers

All spells and powers gained via Shards of Leadership, any Incarnum ability you desire gained via the Incarnum powers, and don't forget to snag Supernatural Transformation as one of your base ones, so as to never pay for PsyRef on all the leeched feats.  There, the REAL Omnicaster Smile
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2011, 09:34:53 PM »

You can't take the same class on the same level.

I'm not sure about several bloodlines
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2011, 05:53:15 AM »

Illumian Binder 1/Ardent 2/Anima Mage 8/Crusader 1/Master of Nine 5/Bloodline 3
Nice, will this still work with Arcane Swordsage instead of Crusader?

Heretic! The Emperor is at least 20 HD outsider with 20 levels in the Space Marine class and a divine rank of 0 (for now..). ...
I'm sorry, your Emperor is in another castle... (hint start in my sig  Wink)
Not to mention... This Emperor could have your "Emperor" as his thrall's, cohort's, psicrystal's, cohort's, psicrystal's ....etc..... cohort's thrall.

You can't have more than one prc when gestalting and I don't think you can have the same class on both sides.
Gestalt does not exert a restriction on the number of Prc's just not two at the same level.  Bloodlines are not Prc's.
There is no such thing as "sides" in gestalt, it's just an easy way to think about it.
Gestalt merely takes the best from each class at each level.

@every1
I'm still not done editing/explaining and I'll update the OP as I have time.
This build was looking to use as many dirty tricks as possible without going pun-pun.
The idea came from the old MTG vintage deck Keeper aka "Playing the restricted list", I wanted to add ghost levels and Divine Minion, but FOP is more fun than ghost I think(especially when thralls are paying for that ritual), and Divine Minion is not compatible with true believer(Boccob).
If you guys want to get all RAW TO about the bloodlines, I think they can all be taken in between your character levels(yes all 36 levels of all of the 12 major bloodline), your HD will suck, but this is TO and it still won't count as Epic...
(even if you follow the "RIGHT before 3rd 6th and 12th levels", since bloodlines "don't increase character level", you are still "RIGHT before" 3rd level after you take your first bloodline "class level")

any suggestions for TO dirty tricks that require minimal investment?
thanks for the feedback
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 05:31:06 PM »

You could use an Arcane Swordsage, but why bother?  Unarmed Swordsage would work better, though you'll take a hit to Fort saves (not that you'll care with the suite of immunities you'll be capable of).  Actually, the full round recovery of all maneuvers is easier to control than Crusader and easier to implement than a Warblades, as ironically it's easier to get a full round than a swift action.

EDIT : By the way, if you use the idea of Bloodlines being a one time XP payment, a la making items, an Item Familiar exactly covers it.  The build then changes to :

Binder 1/Ardent 3/Anima Mage 10/Unarmed Swordsage 1/Master of Nine 5

Going with Unarmed Swordsage actually is a great idea, as you'll have one of the requirements of MoN met from class features, and more maneuvers from more disciplines to PsyRef as desired.  Remember, a maneuver can meet it's own prerequisites at higher level, and this build has an even higher IL/EBL/ML.  Some stats :
EBL: 22
ML: 26
IL: 19
Fort: 7
Ref: 7
Will: 18

Standard Static Feats: Improved Binding, Supernatural Transformation, Item Familiar, Practiced Manifester (Ardent), Improved Sigil (Krau), Adaptive Style, Dodge (one of the better variants, preferably), Blind Fight, Improved Initiative

The feats can also be supplied by bloodline powers, as 10 of them are available for feats if you don't want spiffy things like Wield Oversize Weapon or Energy Immunity.  Your pet rock and toy graft will both act as both batteries and assuming they have Hidden Talent, a source of two psionic focii each (one base, one from schism).  You can get upwards of 12 feats from feat leech due to having two constructs under your command, and since we took Supernatural Transformation, psychic reformation doesn't have an XP cost.  At the final top end, you have a total of 7 feats from levels, 10 from the bloodline, and 12 available from your pets, up to two from a twinned heroics, and Int Mod additional with a casting of mirror movewith 9 of these being tied down meeting prerequisites and establishing a base of power.  You have access to literally every spell, power, vestige, soulbind, and maneuver in D&D, changeable with but a single round's worth of actions.  Be sure of all gear choices you snag a suite of ToB items, gaining more readied maneuvers without using feats, and 20 Power Link Shards, using UMD/UPD to activate any time you want to spike ML.  If that's not enough, even with greater consumptive field, persist and extend a series of castings of larval flayers, and initiate a metaconcert with all your psionic worms.  And just for effect, pick up 4 more arms.

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