OOC discussion

[Agita]

I think Tremorsense and Mindsight are basically the only constant detection methods that don't require LoE. We could make do with only one party member with Mindsight, though. Using the telepathy that goes with it, they could act as the party "navigator".

Mindsight would only work if someone stayed above ground. You know, with the fact that it only detects minds and all.

Not sure I get your meaning. Telepathy and, by extension, Mindsight don't need LoE to work. The bigger question is how to get Mindsight. I can think of two ways, but both require a two-feat investment, assuming Goldflower has traded her familiar for some ACF.

What about the typical Mindbender dip?

Well, the only one in the group wo could even take it is Goldflower, and she's banned Enchantment, didn't she?

[BowenSilverclaw]

I think Tremorsense and Mindsight are basically the only constant detection methods that don't require LoE. We could make do with only one party member with Mindsight, though. Using the telepathy that goes with it, they could act as the party "navigator".

Mindsight would only work if someone stayed above ground. You know, with the fact that it only detects minds and all.

Not sure I get your meaning. Telepathy and, by extension, Mindsight don't need LoE to work. The bigger question is how to get Mindsight. I can think of two ways, but both require a two-feat investment, assuming Goldflower has traded her familiar for some ACF.

What about the typical Mindbender dip?

Well, the only one in the group wo could even take it is Goldflower, and she's banned Enchantment, didn't she?

Bringing us back to the 2 feats (Touch of Captivation and Mindsight)

EDIT: Maybe a Wand of Blindsight for Kalal?

[Nanshork]

I think Tremorsense and Mindsight are basically the only constant detection methods that don't require LoE. We could make do with only one party member with Mindsight, though. Using the telepathy that goes with it, they could act as the party "navigator".

Mindsight would only work if someone stayed above ground. You know, with the fact that it only detects minds and all.

Not sure I get your meaning. Telepathy and, by extension, Mindsight don't need LoE to work. The bigger question is how to get Mindsight. I can think of two ways, but both require a two-feat investment, assuming Goldflower has traded her familiar for some ACF.

What about the typical Mindbender dip?

Well, the only one in the group wo could even take it is Goldflower, and she's banned Enchantment, didn't she?

Yep, banned enchantment.

[Agita]

I think Tremorsense and Mindsight are basically the only constant detection methods that don't require LoE. We could make do with only one party member with Mindsight, though. Using the telepathy that goes with it, they could act as the party "navigator".

Mindsight would only work if someone stayed above ground. You know, with the fact that it only detects minds and all.

Not sure I get your meaning. Telepathy and, by extension, Mindsight don't need LoE to work. The bigger question is how to get Mindsight. I can think of two ways, but both require a two-feat investment, assuming Goldflower has traded her familiar for some ACF.

What about the typical Mindbender dip?

Well, the only one in the group wo could even take it is Goldflower, and she's banned Enchantment, didn't she?

Bringing us back to the 2 feats (Touch of Captivation and Mindsight)

That would be two feats and a level. The two feats I'm thinking of are either Obtain Familiar+Improved Familiar for a Pseudodragon or Shape Soulmeld (Shedu Crown)+Mindsight. Actually, the latter would require three feats, as it also needs Open Least Chakra.

EDIT: Come to think of it, there's a way to do it with a single feat.

[PhaedrusXY]

Hrmmm... this is trickier than I thought...

The easiest answer is Leadership, it seems.

[Agita]

Hrmmm... this is trickier than I thought...

The easiest answer is Leadership, it seems.

Damn you, don't explain the joke!

[PhaedrusXY]

Hrmmm... this is trickier than I thought...

The easiest answer is Leadership, it seems.

Damn you, don't explain the joke!

Hey, my post was before your edit! Great minds think alike, that's all.

[Agita]

Hrmmm... this is trickier than I thought...

The easiest answer is Leadership, it seems.

Damn you, don't explain the joke!

Hey, my post was before your edit! Great minds think alike, that's all.

Actually, my edit was a few seconds before your post.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Sorry guys, no Leadership

[Agita]

Sorry guys, no Leadership

Oh, right, that whole 'no cohorts' stuff. Bummer. The advantage of Shedu Crown is that anyone can do it, but it's also the biggest investment of the three methods. The other two are only doable by Goldflower and would probably derail her build a bit.

[VennDygrem]

I think Tremorsense and Mindsight are basically the only constant detection methods that don't require LoE. We could make do with only one party member with Mindsight, though. Using the telepathy that goes with it, they could act as the party "navigator".

Mindsight would only work if someone stayed above ground. You know, with the fact that it only detects minds and all.

Not sure I get your meaning. Telepathy and, by extension, Mindsight don't need LoE to work. The bigger question is how to get Mindsight. I can think of two ways, but both require a two-feat investment, assuming Goldflower has traded her familiar for some ACF.

My meaning is the point is for everyone to be below ground following in a tunnel or something, right? So that the party can travel without being detected by enemies? Well, mindsight doesn't let you tell what the geography is, it only lets you detect the presence of creatures' minds. It couldn't let you navigate unless someone was walking above ground and you were following them by tracking the movement of their mind. Without someone or something to track, you're still navigating blindly, until you happen upon a mind.

If the point isn't for everyone to travel below ground, then what is the point? The only one who could get mindsight, it seems, doesn't have a burrow speed.

[PhaedrusXY]

I think Tremorsense and Mindsight are basically the only constant detection methods that don't require LoE. We could make do with only one party member with Mindsight, though. Using the telepathy that goes with it, they could act as the party "navigator".

Mindsight would only work if someone stayed above ground. You know, with the fact that it only detects minds and all.

Not sure I get your meaning. Telepathy and, by extension, Mindsight don't need LoE to work. The bigger question is how to get Mindsight. I can think of two ways, but both require a two-feat investment, assuming Goldflower has traded her familiar for some ACF.

My meaning is the point is for everyone to be below ground following in a tunnel or something, right? So that the party can travel without being detected by enemies? Well, mindsight doesn't let you tell what the geography is, it only lets you detect the presence of creatures' minds. It couldn't let you navigate unless someone was walking above ground and you were following them by tracking the movement of their mind. Without someone or something to track, you're still navigating blindly, until you happen upon a mind.

If the point isn't for everyone to travel below ground, then what is the point? The only one who could get mindsight, it seems, doesn't have a burrow speed.

Yeah, but she can turn invisible for a minute at a time. Even if she turned both herself and Yamanu invisible once every minute, you guys could easily keep up with our slow asses tunneling under you. So no, everyone doesn't have to be underground for this to work. Two above invisibly and two below would work just as well for stealth purposes.

I think the point is a bit moot as it doesn't seem likely anyone is getting Mindsight any time soon, anyway.

[BowenSilverclaw]

So glad we don't have someone with Mindsight and possibly Malphas' bird thingy. Gives the enemies at least some chance of succesfully getting the drop on you guys

So, what will it be, Witch Trail or Dawn Way?

[VennDygrem]

I think we were going the Witch Trail to avoid drawing as much attention, even if it does take longer. Wasn't that it?

[Agita]

I think we were going the Witch Trail to avoid drawing as much attention, even if it does take longer. Wasn't that it?

Actually, we were going the Witch Trail because for some reason the Dawn Way actually takes longer. It probably has to do with the fact that our slowest mount is as fast as our slowest character on foot.

[BowenSilverclaw]

I think we were going the Witch Trail to avoid drawing as much attention, even if it does take longer. Wasn't that it?

Actually, we were going the Witch Trail because for some reason the Dawn Way actually takes longer. It probably has to do with the fact that our slowest mount is as fast as our slowest character on foot.

Yeah, that's pretty much it

[BowenSilverclaw]

Just an FYI, I'll be gone 'til tomorrow afternoon.
Hope you guys can get your gear done and have decided on a route/travelling method by then

[VennDygrem]

We already decided on a trail.

[VennDygrem]

We all set to head out, guys?

[PhaedrusXY]

So we're doing the Witch (foot) trail, sans mounts, right? With Kalal and the Colonel tunneling underneath Yamanu and Goldflower, who will be invisible and/or hiding?

Christ... Kalal has so much crap, he's actually over his maximum load without the mule... I guess I'm going to have to leave some junk in town.

Edit: Done rearranging his equipment. I'm just going to have him wear his new full plate, since he's going to be burrowing and presumably won't have to worry about move silently checks, either.