Exotic is flavoring. Classes are mechanics. Job =/= class. Wizard =/= wizard. When I applied to VV's game, i had a level 3 bard who was employed as a Factotum, while someone else had a factotum 3 who was a Bard by trade.
By exotic I was referring to playing a non-standard race. More specifically a “monster” race.
At 15 level, a wizard will have 8th level spells. You'll have 4th. You do the math. If your DM lets you abuse Shapechange (Do rashaka's actually get Shapechange, as the spell or its it some other effect, and at what CL?) that can be powerful, but most DM's will throw a book at your head for turning into an 11 headed Cyro-hydra.
Keeping in mind our party already has an Elven Wizard to do the Wizard 20 gig. But even having that, isn’t it good to have other characters in the group who can do magic to back up the “main” magic user? For versatilities sake if nothing else..?
Also Raks get an “alternate form” ability not shapechange…think of them like Dopplegangers, which would be another of my choices with an LA of +4, good stat bonuses and armor.
You don't have enough class levels to get a decent bardic music progression at low levels with a pixie. magic items can make up a lot of the shortfall, but it's really not optimal. A bard 20 can have +8 Inspire Courage even without touching the words of creation feat, but lopping levels off that cuts your power. Bard, like full caster classes, is not good for dipping.
So if I understand you and some of the others here correctly, there is no point in being a magic user unless you are going to be 19-20 levels of magic user? That seems odd to me…maybe if you were the main magic user of the party and the party really needs 9th level spells, sure. But as a secondary caster is not the more the merrier?
Can you elaborate what you mean about it not being a good match for Pixie? My first thought was that with a Cha of 20, while he won’t get to Bard 20, the Bard spells he did get, some of which are useful will be reaaly powerful, right? If one was going to be a bard hypothetically is it best to go Bard 20 or are there other builds and PrC that would stack nicely?
This has bugged me since when I first saw it. Do you post on mASF? That's the only place I've ever seen that acronym used.
What is masf? I thought it was general forum speak that has been thrown at me a few times in my n00b years.
Mixing a Daring Outlaw build and a Swiftblade build is trying too hard to do too much.
I thought Daring Outlaw was a PrC…? Apparently it is not. What does a DO get me? Would Swiftblade be better?
You'll need 7 levels of bard for Haste-prereq.
Then that LA.
Gives just enough room to squeeze Swiftblade 9 into the mix and Perpetual Options is the best "capstone" of the Swiftblade.*
*Innervated Speed is useless on a Bard swiftblade. You loose a caster level for really no benefit, unless you consider using a lvl 6 spell for a one turn duration Time Stop. Hello, wasted action.
Is that a better option? Are you recommending the bard/swiftblade combo or are you saying its no good?
I'm going to try and think of something basic and the rest of our esteemed fellows can scoff at it and come up with something better. But I'd go something like this:
Swashbuckler 10/Rogue 3/Fighter 1**/Swordsage 2.
Since SA advance every odd level, having an even number of rogue-compatible classes aren't optimal.
With LA 4, that puts us at lvl 16. Our SA increase was at 15. So that one extra level could be something else, say fighter. 2 Levels of Swordsage nets you Assassin's Stance, gaining 2d6 sneak for the investment of 1d6.
BAB would be 14.
**One pretty good option would then to use the Fighter Alternative Class Feature in Drows of the Underdark. Contrary of what one might think, the ACF's in the book does not in any way require Drow as a race.
What you'll loose is irrelevant.
What you gain is Dex to damage against flat-footed opponents (say, like sneak attack ) and a bonus to Initative - always a good thing.
I should mention at this point that while a Pixie has an LA of 4 its ECL with its single HD is 5 so in the Savage Species ruplebook we are using I have to take 5 levels of Pixie. So I guess we cut that one level of fighter out? Or is it better to only take Swashbuckler 10…and why SB 10? Is that for prereqs or something else?
Also…I am still trying to fit magic in here somewhere…again not trying to be the ubermage but just finding a way to use magic to enhance the pixies natural strengths. What about Arcane Trickster? Just looking for options.
Postponing the later Swordage as long as possible might net you enough Initator Level to pick Dancing Mongoose (a Tiger Claw maneuver), but I'm not sure.
What is initiator and the maneuver? Which book am I looking in?
6 feats and 1 bonus one:
Weapon Finesse from Swashbuckler.
Apparently Pixie’s already get Weapon finesse, so what should I take instead? There are also some feats I heard were great for Pixies from the Pixie handbook regarding juicing their flying/attack abilities…have to go relook that up…
Dex to hit, Dex to damage twice, Int to damage, sneak attack of 8d6 (can be pimped with other things of course).
The X stat to Y thread lists the following:
Gauntlets of Heartfelt Blows Dragon #314 Damage
I don't have that issue, so I don't know about any conditional requirements, but if it just works like the short version here suggests, then you'll have Cha to damage aswell.
Cha is after all going to be one of your best stats so poking about ways to use it is a good idea.
So the Dex to damages and Int to Damage stack AND with the SA? Is that allowable in the rules or is my DM going to smack me for the idea? I’d love to get some extra bonuses to hit and AC from other things if possible. And yeah, with a Cha of 20 isn’t there some way I can leverage that without being dependant on a specific magical item that may or may not fall into my hands and are probably too large for my pixie hands?
I know Cha is great for a Paladin but I don’t see me being a Pixie paladin…
Side note…I’d love to be able to have a Pixie Dragon mount like one of the builds in the Pixie handbook. Is that the kind of thing I have to have as a class feature. Can only Paladins do that? Or is that the kind of thing I could negotiate with the DM to just bring in the campaign like he would a magic item?
Sure, it's not like a Hexblade/Paladin of Slaughter/Ranger/Chaos Monk/Bard/Battle Dancer/Blackguard/Eldeen Ranger/Arcane Duellist, netting Cha to saves 3 times (4 against arcane spells) and have Cha to AC 3 times, but that's not what we are after, now is it.
Actually CHA to AC would be great…what does that?
As far as PrC's go, there aren't any really good ones I can think of. Not that would net you anything substantial at least. Admitedly, as far as sneak attackers go, I prefer the Rogue/Conjurer/Unseen Seer/Arcane Trickster. So using non-hunter's eye-shennanigans to add up on SA isn't my forté.
Waitasec…that seems to contradict something…a rogue conjurer…doesn’t that mean sacrificing caster levels? What are hunters eye shennanigans?
As far as spellcasting goes, that Charisma score and a good investment into Use Magic Device goes a loooong way. It is after all one of the best skills in the game.
You mean for Bard or something else? How else does Charisma help me with spellcasting?
You'll need Trapsmith 1 for Haste-prereq.
Assuming the book's available.
So dip into Trapsmith 1 for the Swiftblade rather than go for Bard 7? If I did that, how many levels of Bard would you recommend?
Anyway, I've found that how you get a mechanical effect is pretty easy to separate from the in-game consequences except in a few edge cases. That said, if you want to play a weird race, the dvati from dragon compendium are right up your ally. Essentially, your character is psychic twins.
Actually that sounds a little too weird for me. I think I will stick with my Pixie idea or maybe if the DM decides to give 1 HD per monster level an Ogre Mage might be more appealing.
Oh, and I did look up Dragonfire Adept…pretty cool actually and some good looking reasons to be DFA20 and get the full benefit, or so it looks. What would be a good base race to stack DFA onto? Are there any optimalization tricks for other clasees or PrC that would be worth diverting from the full 20 path?
Also they have so many cool options, but even at L20, you only get to pick 8 of their special abilities! It would be hard to choose! Also on reading more idetail on the types of breath, the two best ones suck because you take half damage from your own attack…ouch!!!