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SERIOUSLY SIXTH, IF YOU READ THIS, YOU WILL BE DOWN TWO VERY PRECIOUS OBJECTS.
Alright, so I've volunteered to host a Tarrasque hunt for my players. They will be a party of 20th level characters with maximum hit points, and the Tarrasque will have pulled the old True Mind Switch. So it will deviate from a normal Tarasque by having 320 HP; 26 (18+3 Venerable+5 levels) intelligence; Feats, Skills, Saves, and Powers as a 20th level Telepath. The Mind Switch was performed by a 20th level Venerable Human Telepath who promptly squished his old body before going on a rampage to regain his lost level plus some extra for a full deep Psychic Reformation.
My question is, how should I best use the 7 general feats, 5 psion feats, 230 skill points, 5 1st level powers, 4 2nd-5th level powers, 3 6th-8th level powers, and 6 9th level powers this monster has to play around with now?
2 Psion feats can go toward Psionic Fist (1st) and Unavoidable Strike (10th). Another one can pick up Psionic Meditation (5th). Power Attack (1) and Leap Attack (15th thanks to cross class ranks) can come from the pool of regular feats.
After that I draw a blank. This leaves 3 Psion feats (15th and 20th) and 5 general feats.
As far as powers go, I want things that will augment the creature's combat prowess. A way to get flight would be necessary, as would a way to deal with incorporeal forms.
Go nuts, BG. This is your chance!
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 10:46:26 PM » |
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Give him some EWP(spiked chain) and Thicket of Blades. That's 80ft, right? Oh oh, and Mage Slayer/Peirce Magical Concealment/Peirce Magical Defenses  |
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 10:47:39 PM » |
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Pick up the psion telepath acf which gives telepathy and mindsight to avoid ambushes.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 11:01:04 PM » |
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Why would you need Unavoidable Strike? You're a f'n tarrasque. Do you actually expect to have a hard time hitting things?
I'd suggest Linked Power for sure. And you're going to want flight. And teleportation. And Anticipatory Strike. And Contingency. And EK: Hustle. And Schism. And Practiced Manifester (for Schism).
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2009, 11:10:54 PM » |
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Why do I want to say EK: Fission?
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2009, 11:19:32 PM » |
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Might as well take Improved Toughness to make up for a bunch of the lost hp in one go (actually, getting more than the normal Tarrasque does with its feats, even if you've reduced it to 20 HD). You can probably spare it.
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
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TheWordSlinger
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2009, 11:43:59 PM » |
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Give him some EWP(spiked chain) and Thicket of Blades. That's 80ft, right? Oh oh, and Mage Slayer/Peirce Magical Concealment/Peirce Magical Defenses O, no manufactured weapons please, but the other feats have merit. Pick up the psion telepath acf which gives telepathy and mindsight to avoid ambushes.
Good call, thank you. Why would you need Unavoidable Strike? You're a f'n tarrasque. Do you actually expect to have a hard time hitting things?
I'd suggest Linked Power for sure. And you're going to want flight. And teleportation. And Anticipatory Strike. And Contingency. And EK: Hustle. And Schism. And Practiced Manifester (for Schism).
When you have the BAB of a lvl 20 Psion and want to use Power Attack? So, Psionic Overland Flight and Psionic Greater Teleport? I'd rather not use Contingency. Why do I want to say EK: Fission?
Because it's scary. Might as well take Improved Toughness to make up for a bunch of the lost hp in one go (actually, getting more than the normal Tarrasque does with its feats, even if you've reduced it to 20 HD). You can probably spare it.
Umm, isn't Improved Toughness only +20 HP for one feat? Doesn't seem worth it to me. |
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Currently playing: Forte Lulz, Chaotic EVIL Bard bent on world domination; Canere Potentia, to sing of power.Aralaxax, Warforged Osteomancer, Machines are my people, I wield bones as other wield swords.Randall Gray, she's not sexually confused, honest!Zion "I can make followers, but why bother when people line up for me?"Currently DMing: Real Men Use Their Hands, World's Largest Dungeon "If you can pretend to be a half-orc barbarian or a dwarf wizard then you can pretend to be an alpha male."-Ninjarabbit "The hotel shop only had two decent books, and I'd written both of them."-Douglas Adams " It's funny how the Earth never opens up and swallows you when you want it to." Xander Harris, Buffy the Vampire Slayer |
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Prime32
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 04:21:46 AM » |
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Inconstant location. No-one expects a tele-spamming tarrasque.
Null psionics field - you are so f**ked.
Also, metamorphosis to fit through doors. Swallow your psicrystal and turn it into a grappler with acid resistance so that people can't cut their way out after you swallow them. Or heck, use mind switch to give your psicrystal a body which can survive inside you and have it serve as the origin of a null psionics field (to prevent protection spells and escape through the Ethereal Plane). You're large enough that it won't affect you.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 05:05:05 AM » |
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chosen of tem-et-nu. So you'll be immune to attacks from any form of hippopotamus as long as it isn't magically controlled.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 05:07:03 AM » |
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Might as well take Improved Toughness to make up for a bunch of the lost hp in one go (actually, getting more than the normal Tarrasque does with its feats, even if you've reduced it to 20 HD). You can probably spare it.
Umm, isn't Improved Toughness only +20 HP for one feat? Doesn't seem worth it to me. It's a common trade out I think, drop all the Toughness feats and pick up a single Improved Toughness, the net gain is more HP and free feat slots. Also it's not 20 HP, it's +1 HP per HD. |
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Tiers explained in 8 sentences. With examples!Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
1: Elitists. Artificer, Cleric, Druid, Wizard.
0: Gods. StP Erudite, Illthid Savant, Pun-Pun, Rocks fall & you die.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 10:23:24 AM » |
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chosen of tem-et-nu. So you'll be immune to attacks from any form of hippopotamus as long as it isn't magically controlled.
 Hell yeah! That's so overpowered! OMG!!!1!!11!! |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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TheWordSlinger
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 10:36:11 AM » |
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Inconstant location. No-one expects a tele-spamming tarrasque.
Null psionics field - you are so f**ked.
Also, metamorphosis to fit through doors. Swallow your psicrystal and turn it into a grappler with acid resistance so that people can't cut their way out after you swallow them. Or heck, use mind switch to give your psicrystal a body which can survive inside you and have it serve as the origin of a null psionics field (to prevent protection spells and escape through the Ethereal Plane).
What would you suggest for a Mind Switch target that can survive 2d8+8 points of crushing damage plus 2d8+6 points of acid damage per round? A balor looks nice, with a grappling set up it could be down right nasty. chosen of tem-et-nu. So you'll be immune to attacks from any form of hippopotamus as long as it isn't magically controlled.
Brilliant Might as well take Improved Toughness to make up for a bunch of the lost hp in one go (actually, getting more than the normal Tarrasque does with its feats, even if you've reduced it to 20 HD). You can probably spare it.
Umm, isn't Improved Toughness only +20 HP for one feat? Doesn't seem worth it to me. It's a common trade out I think, drop all the Toughness feats and pick up a single Improved Toughness, the net gain is more HP and free feat slots. Also it's not 20 HP, it's +1 HP per HD. But I don't have the Tarrasque's feats to begin with since I used True Mind Switch. and I only have 20 HD, not 48. I'll post a larger write-up for this later. Thanks for the help every one! |
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Currently playing: Forte Lulz, Chaotic EVIL Bard bent on world domination; Canere Potentia, to sing of power.Aralaxax, Warforged Osteomancer, Machines are my people, I wield bones as other wield swords.Randall Gray, she's not sexually confused, honest!Zion "I can make followers, but why bother when people line up for me?"Currently DMing: Real Men Use Their Hands, World's Largest Dungeon "If you can pretend to be a half-orc barbarian or a dwarf wizard then you can pretend to be an alpha male."-Ninjarabbit "The hotel shop only had two decent books, and I'd written both of them."-Douglas Adams " It's funny how the Earth never opens up and swallows you when you want it to." Xander Harris, Buffy the Vampire Slayer |
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 10:43:44 AM » |
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Tarrasque has 18 hp from Toughness taken 6 times, so a single Improved Toughness makes up for it and then some.
For Mind Switch I might reccommend an Avalancher (MM3) with any method of granting it Immunity to Acid (a Half-Black/Copper/Green Dragon works well). That way, it sits in your belly and waits just fine, seeing as it's immune to Bludgeoning damage.
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 10:51:20 AM » |
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Dont forget to abuse Magical Locations and either Psychic Reformation or DCFS for some extra feats if you need them  |
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2009, 01:40:31 PM » |
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chosen of tem-et-nu. So you'll be immune to attacks from any form of hippopotamus as long as it isn't magically controlled.
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2009, 01:52:14 PM » |
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chosen of tem-et-nu. So you'll be immune to attacks from any form of hippopotamus as long as it isn't magically controlled.
What? It's a real feat. I think it grants some other minor benefits too but come on, hippotami, man! EDIT: Here it is. Blessed By Tem-Et-Nu [General] (Sandstorm)
Tem-Et-Nu has marked you as having an important destiny in her temple.
Prerequisite: Patron deity Tem-Et-Nu, must have defeated a hippopotamus in single combat.
Region: Wastes
Benefit: Hippopotami cannot attack you unless they are magically compelled. In addition, if you possess the turn or rebuke undead class feature, you can rebuke and command hippopotami as an evil cleric rebukes or commands undead. You gain a +2 sacred bonus to your Armor Class against chaotic-aligned creatures with the fire subtype.
Cleric is now an additional favored class for you; the cleric class does not count when determining whether you take an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
Special: Your aura radiates law with a strength equal to your character level (see detect law). If you ever lose favor with Tem-Et-Nu, or change your patron deity to another deity, you lose all benefits of this feat and take damage as if you were bitten by a hippopotamus. You do not gain a replacement feat. If you later return to Tem-Et-Nu's faithful and receive an atonement spell, you regain the benefit of this feat. Right, the other benefits were an AC bonus against chaotic creatures with the fire type, of which I think there are two in all the Monster Manuals put together, and the ability to rebuke hippopotami. And if you ever change your religion a ghost hippopotamus bites you.  |
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2009, 01:58:24 PM » |
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chosen of tem-et-nu. So you'll be immune to attacks from any form of hippopotamus as long as it isn't magically controlled.
What? Seeing your avi next to that question, after that statement, was gold. I'm not sure I should have found it that funny, but the joker cackling from the confusion of that statement was marvelous. |
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 02:19:13 PM » |
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EDIT: Here it is. Blessed By Tem-Et-Nu [General] (Sandstorm)
Tem-Et-Nu has marked you as having an important destiny in her temple.
Prerequisite: Patron deity Tem-Et-Nu, must have defeated a hippopotamus in single combat.
Region: Wastes
Benefit: Hippopotami cannot attack you unless they are magically compelled. In addition, if you possess the turn or rebuke undead class feature, you can rebuke and command hippopotami as an evil cleric rebukes or commands undead. You gain a +2 sacred bonus to your Armor Class against chaotic-aligned creatures with the fire subtype.
Cleric is now an additional favored class for you; the cleric class does not count when determining whether you take an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
Special: Your aura radiates law with a strength equal to your character level (see detect law). If you ever lose favor with Tem-Et-Nu, or change your patron deity to another deity, you lose all benefits of this feat and take damage as if you were bitten by a hippopotamus. You do not gain a replacement feat. If you later return to Tem-Et-Nu's faithful and receive an atonement spell, you regain the benefit of this feat. Right, the other benefits were an AC bonus against chaotic creatures with the fire type, of which I think there are two in all the Monster Manuals put together, and the ability to rebuke hippopotami. And if you ever change your religion a ghost hippopotamus bites you. ...who wrote Sandstorm?! |
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 02:27:04 PM » |
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EDIT: Here it is. Blessed By Tem-Et-Nu [General] (Sandstorm)
Tem-Et-Nu has marked you as having an important destiny in her temple.
Prerequisite: Patron deity Tem-Et-Nu, must have defeated a hippopotamus in single combat.
Region: Wastes
Benefit: Hippopotami cannot attack you unless they are magically compelled. In addition, if you possess the turn or rebuke undead class feature, you can rebuke and command hippopotami as an evil cleric rebukes or commands undead. You gain a +2 sacred bonus to your Armor Class against chaotic-aligned creatures with the fire subtype.
Cleric is now an additional favored class for you; the cleric class does not count when determining whether you take an experience point penalty for multiclassing.
Special: Your aura radiates law with a strength equal to your character level (see detect law). If you ever lose favor with Tem-Et-Nu, or change your patron deity to another deity, you lose all benefits of this feat and take damage as if you were bitten by a hippopotamus. You do not gain a replacement feat. If you later return to Tem-Et-Nu's faithful and receive an atonement spell, you regain the benefit of this feat. Right, the other benefits were an AC bonus against chaotic creatures with the fire type, of which I think there are two in all the Monster Manuals put together, and the ability to rebuke hippopotami. And if you ever change your religion a ghost hippopotamus bites you. ...who wrote Sandstorm?! Either a comedian or a pyrophobic furry. |
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 02:59:43 PM » |
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wow that's enough of that... sanstorm is awesome though! Hey how about doing the holy trinity? Is fusion also too scary?  |
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