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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2009, 10:01:18 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. |
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« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2009, 10:01:59 PM » |
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I recently had a white dragon take martial study: thicket of blades.
My players were like: wait what?
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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2009, 10:29:22 PM » |
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as my warped mind figures it, the sla/su effects of martial stances/manuvers is == arcane somatic casting.
i have no trouble w/ trained animals or otherwise intelligent (enough) creatures using them. i could see setting a minimum int for use, but i think 3 should suffice.
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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2009, 10:41:14 PM » |
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as my warped mind figures it, the sla/su effects of martial stances/manuvers is == arcane somatic casting.
i have no trouble w/ trained animals or otherwise intelligent (enough) creatures using them. i could see setting a minimum int for use, but i think 3 should suffice.
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2009, 10:44:01 PM » |
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Though I don't think they can get it with only 3HD. Don't they need IL1 (2HD) before they can take Martial Study or Martial Stance?
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« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2009, 11:03:54 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? |
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« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2009, 11:05:00 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. |
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« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2009, 11:10:36 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2009, 11:14:02 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. Low On Sleep |
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« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2009, 11:21:41 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. Low On Sleep And I'm not?  |
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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2009, 11:23:54 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. Low On Sleep And I'm not? Sorry, I couldn't tell because I'm low on sleep. |
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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2009, 08:34:15 AM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. In fact you should worry about all those things. Now, the initiator level requirement must be met in all cases, which means level 2 minimum for IL 1. So my previous suggestion of taking Martial Study at level 1 obviously doesn't work. But for instance for animal companions, etc. these are very attractive feat choices, especially the stances. Another attractive thing might be Draconic Aura if you can get a critter with the dragonblood subtype...  . |
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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2009, 09:21:08 AM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. Low On Sleep And I'm not? Sorry, I couldn't tell because I'm low on sleep. I'm pretty sure owlbears are humanoid shaped too. |
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2009, 09:22:39 AM » |
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Animals (and animal companions) legally qualify for the fiendish and fey heritage chain of feats from Complete Mage. Throw in bloodlines from UA/SRD for more fun.
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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2009, 07:43:49 PM » |
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Mage Slayer is nice too, if you can justify giving them the proper skill ranks. (Training your dog to identify wizards by the smell of their components, or something.)
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« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2009, 09:32:36 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. +1. That was the plan for my Goblin Warblade Warg-Rider (actually with a Wolf wild cohort) |
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« Reply #56 on: October 28, 2009, 09:01:53 AM » |
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+1. That was the plan for my Goblin Warblade Warg-Rider (actually with a Wolf wild cohort)
I'd use it on something with sneak-attack. But, well.. |
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« Reply #57 on: October 28, 2009, 02:14:09 PM » |
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« Reply #58 on: October 28, 2009, 07:40:06 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. Low On Sleep And I'm not? Sorry, I couldn't tell because I'm low on sleep. I'm pretty sure owlbears are humanoid shaped too. But could they master Martial Spirit? Imagine an an Owlbear Crusader and a Human Marshal, and a Awakened Boar Boar Totem Barbarian getting togther. It would be crazy. |
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« Reply #59 on: October 28, 2009, 10:50:47 PM » |
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What's wrong with animals in stances? Mounts with Island of Blades are way cool. Maybe the fact it doesn't work logisticly or sensibly... or that it means that non-huminiods can enter martial stances and pretty soon we have to worry about blackpuddings, bugbears, or dragons with stances and manuvers. You do realize that Bugbears founded one of the disciplines don't you? sorry, that should have been owlbears but I'm low on sleep. Oh, and as for dragons there's already a Sovereign Archetype for giving them maneuvers in Dragons of Eberron. Low On Sleep And I'm not? Sorry, I couldn't tell because I'm low on sleep. I'm pretty sure owlbears are humanoid shaped too. But could they master Martial Spirit? Imagine an an Owlbear Crusader and a Human Marshal, and a Awakened Boar Boar Totem Barbarian getting togther. It would be crazy. Even if they could, Vinom's point is moot since he was considering nonhumanoids in martial stances. Yeah, anything to continue nesting quotes. |
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