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DavidWL
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« on: October 19, 2009, 12:05:32 AM »

Inspired by this thread: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=5962.0

Venerable Loredrake Dragonwrought Desert Kobold

Cleric 1/Sorcerer 1/Metaphysical Spell Shaper 3/Incantatrix 10/Dwoemerkeeper 5

--Build--

1   Cleric 1      Extend (Planning Domain), (Magic Domain)
            Dragonwrought (Level), Persist (Flaw), Reserves of Strength (Flaw)
2   Sorcerer 1      
3   Metaphysical S.S. 1   Sanctum Spell (Level) -> Draconic Resevoir (Psychic Reformation at Level 12)
4   Metaphysical S.S. 1   [BONUS METAMAGIC]
5   Metaphysical S.S. 1
6   Incantatrix 1      Iron Will (Otyugh Hole), [BONUS METAMAGIC],
            Craft Wonderous Item (Level) -> Heretic of the Faith (Psychic Reformation at level 12)
7   Incantatrix 2      
8   Incantatrix 3      
9   Dweomerkeeper 1      Arcane Disciple(Luck*) (Level)
10   Dweomerkeeper 2      
11   Dweomerkeeper 3      
12   Dweomerkeeper 4      Craft Contingent Spell (Level)
13   Incantatrix 4      [BONUS METAMAGIC]
14   Incantatrix 5      
15   Incantatrix 6      OPEN (Level)
16   Incantatrix 7      [BONUS METAMAGIC]
17   Incantatrix 8      
18   Incantatrix 9      OPEN (Level)
19   Incantatrix 10      [BONUS METAMAGIC]
20   Dweomerkeeper 5      

--TRICKS--

Supernatural Spell -> Limited Wish -> Psychic Reformation Trick (Reforms spells, feats, once daily)
   -> Any Crafting + discounts W/ feats during down time (Craft Contingent Spell, Wonderous Item, etc.)
   -> Most any metamagic combos and practiced spellcaster
   -> Reset spells as desired

Heretic of the Faith to create a more Custom Luck Domain -> includes Guidance of the Avatar, Surge of Fortune, Miracle
Arcane Disciple(Luck) -> Put Guidance of the Avatar?, Surge of Fortune, and Miracle in the mantle

Improved Metamagic / Metamagic Mastery -> -1 all, -1 total

Reserves of Strength

Venerable Loredrake Dragonwrought Desert Kobold / Greater Draconic Ritual -> +2 net CL, +3 Mental Attributes

Metamagic Effect / Metaphysical Metamagic

Other Incantatrix Goodness

5 Open Metamagic Feats
2 Open Level Feats

--OBSERVE--

At level 3:  Cast a "Reserves of Strength", Persistent Alter Self, CL = 8 (8 HD form) w/ Arcanist's Gloves
   (costs 6 ability burn)

At level 8:  Metamagic Effect
At level 12: Supernatural Spell (Limited Wish) -> Psychic Reformation
At level 16: Miracle in the Mantle
At level 19: Improved Metamagic for madness

--DEFAULT FEAT CHOICES--

Open Feats:
   Practical Metamagic (Quicken)
   Practical Metamagic (Repeat)
Metamagic (Note: Reach/Chain/Sculpt Spell/Selective Spell would also be another path set, Repeat/Twin another):
   Invisible Spell
   Still
   Silent
   Quicken
   Repeat Spell

--Daily Ritual--

- Cast Repeated Limited Wish to Emulated Psychic Reformation:
- Change Spells Known for one off spells, change feat list to Echo, Practiced Spellcaster (Echoing), etc.
- Prepare via Arcane Preparation
- Change Spells Known to desired spontaneous list, change feats back to default list

--Questionable Rules Items--

- Assumes we can make a custom domain if we take "Heretic of the Faith" - not overpowered, since this is only done to snag one more spell anyway (Surge of Fortune)
- Assumes that a sorcerer using Arcane Preparation only needs to spend 1 round to prepare spells ... is there a better way to be able to cast Limited wish w/o experience twice?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 12:08:06 AM by DavidWL » Logged

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Non-PC activities like out of combat healing should be left to wands and NPCs. It's not fun to play a walking wand of CLW. Likewise, being a combat wall is not a viable PC role. A Wall of Force could do that.

-Sort of, but you left out the important note that a Wall of Force does it better.

Quote from: Runestar / skydragonknight
The most powerful character is the one that you actually get to play.

Quote from: Operation Shoestring
I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 12:05:54 AM »

A different version of the above:

--Build--

Cleric 1/Sorcerer 1/Metaphysical Spell Shaper 3/Incantatrix 4/Dwoemerkeeper 6/Halruaan Elder 5

1   Sorcerer 1      Apprentice (Spellcaster) (Human)
            Reserves of Strength (Level)
            Precocious APprentice (Flaw)   -> Spell Thematics (at Level 15)
            Sanctum Spell (Flaw)       -> Halruaan Adept (at Level 15)
2   Cleric 1      Extend (Planning Domain)
3   Metaphysical S.S. 1   Persist (Level)       -> Arcane Disciple(Luck) (at Level 19)
4   Metaphysical S.S. 1   [OPEN BONUS METAMAGIC]
5   Metaphysical S.S. 1
6   Incantatrix 1      Iron Will (Otyugh Hole)
            [OPEN BONUS METAMAGIC]
            OPEN (Level)
7   Incantatrix 2      
8   Incantatrix 3      
9   Incantatrix 4      Craft Wonderous Item (Level)
            [OPEN BONUS METAMAGIC]
10   Dweomerkeeper 1      
11   Dweomerkeeper 2      
12   Dweomerkeeper 3      OPEN (Level)
13   Dweomerkeeper 4      
14   Dweomerkeeper 5
15   Dweomerkeeper 6      OPEN (Level)
16   Halruaan Elder 1   
17   Halruaan Elder 2
18   Halruaan Elder 3   OPEN (Level)
19   Halruaan Elder 4   
20   Halruaan Elder 5   

--Summary--

CL: 19
3 open metamagic feats
4 open general feats
2 signature spells, 3 Mantle Spells (Miracle, Timestop, Greater Arcane Fusion, Greater Celerity, Arcane Spellsurge)
Circle Magic
Metamagic Mastery / Adroit Casting * 2
Metaphysical Metamagic / Metamagic Effect
2 Supernatural spells per day

15 total feats (7 level + 1 human + 2 flaw + 1 Otyugh Hole + 1 Planning Domain + 2 Incantatrix + 1 Metaphysical Spell Shaper)
6 "stuck" on prereqs (Spell Thematics, Halruaan Adept, Iron Will, Extend, arbitrary Metamagic, arbitrary Item crafting)

--Daily Ritual--

- Cast Limited Wish to Emulated Psychic Reformation
- Change Feat List
- Change Spells Known for one off spells (example:  Extended / Echoed / Persistent / All-day spells)
- Prepare one off spells with Arcane Preparation
- Cast Limited Wish to Emulated Psychic Reformation -> Spells for the day
- Cast buff sequence

--Preping Feat Choices--

Echo
Persistent
Practical Metamagic(Echo)
Adroit Casting (Echo)
Arcane Preparation

--Default Feat Choices--

Open Metamagic Choices:
   Still
   Silent
   Invisible
General:
   Rapid Metamagic
   Leadership
   Otherwordly
   Open
Notes:
   Adroit Casting (Still)
   Adroit Casting (Silent)

--Some Abilities of Note--
  • All spells are Stilled, Silent, and Invisible with no LA.  Very hard to stop him from casting, can't detect that he is casting.
  • Amazing CL with circle Magic, Reserves of strength allows breaking past CL limits, Apprentice (Caster) gives cohorts to fuel this.
  • Use any crafting feat with Limited Wish -> Psychic Reformation (there and back).  Adapting the following feats allows this to quickly more than pay for itself: Apprentice (Craftsman) / Extraordinary Artisan / Legendary Artisan / Magical Artisan.
  • Can cast Miracle, duplicating any cleric spell of level 8.
  • Persistent spells with Metaphysical Metamagic / Metamagic Effect
  • Has many more high-level spells known given the extra 5 slots from Signature Spell *2 and Mantle *3 (Note:  It isn't obvious to me that this is legal ... opinions?)
« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 04:06:29 AM by DavidWL » Logged

Some Cool Quotes
Quote from: unknown
Non-PC activities like out of combat healing should be left to wands and NPCs. It's not fun to play a walking wand of CLW. Likewise, being a combat wall is not a viable PC role. A Wall of Force could do that.

-Sort of, but you left out the important note that a Wall of Force does it better.

Quote from: Runestar / skydragonknight
The most powerful character is the one that you actually get to play.

Quote from: Operation Shoestring
I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 12:06:05 AM »

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« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 03:56:47 AM by DavidWL » Logged

Some Cool Quotes
Quote from: unknown
Non-PC activities like out of combat healing should be left to wands and NPCs. It's not fun to play a walking wand of CLW. Likewise, being a combat wall is not a viable PC role. A Wall of Force could do that.

-Sort of, but you left out the important note that a Wall of Force does it better.

Quote from: Runestar / skydragonknight
The most powerful character is the one that you actually get to play.

Quote from: Operation Shoestring
I often have to remind people not to underrate divination.  The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2010, 02:51:22 PM »

Almost a 1 year necro, but well worth it.  Here's one I'm working on now that is aimed at this level of versatility, plus immunity to AMF.

Sorcerer 2/Rainbow Servant 10/Dweomerkeeper 4/Incantatrix 4

Dragon Magic says sharing a spell list is enough to snag an Initiate feat.  Domains are easy enough to snag.  Initiate of Mystra + Supernatural Limited Wish PsyRef + Entire Cleric list + 20/20 casting + Metamagic Effect = OMGWTFBBQ Big Grin

Other notables : Two additional spells from DK's Mantle ability, two free metamagic feats, at will arcane sight, 3 domains (refluff that puppy to prismatic dragons...), a nigh useless set of wings, the same action abuse a regular sorc gets (with more options), and most importantly, completely Cha SAD.

Now, future additions :
-snag Turn Undead, perhaps?
-Ironclad way of getting domain slots
-laugh maniacally at all Mystic Theurges!
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2010, 03:49:50 PM »

Whats a metaphysical spell shaper?
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2010, 04:03:37 PM »

A non-sex based PrC from the 3rd party Book of Erotic Fantasy.

Kells most notorious use of said PrC is metamagic abuse in all its forms.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2010, 04:07:42 PM »

Kells most notorious use of said PrC is metamagic abuse in all its forms.

How do you use that PrC WITHOUT massive metamagic abuse?
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2010, 04:43:09 PM »

A non-sex based PrC from the 3rd party Book of Erotic Fantasy.

Kells most notorious use of said PrC is metamagic abuse in all its forms.

The metamagic abuse is a cool side benefit, as that exists in a myriad of forms.  What I REALLY use it for is gaining the Sorcerer's superior casting mechanic on a Wizard.  My versatility sorc above, inspired by DavidWL and Solo, is meant to achieve roughly the same thing, without using 3rd party resources.
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