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« Reply #540 on: November 06, 2009, 10:43:30 AM » |
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Solar's aren't a splat book... But I see your point. Okay, I'm gonna be democratic about it. We already have like 10-12 (I think?) people preparing for this. I'll make a vote/poll thing for a week. Sound good?
The solar isn't the basis for the argument that you get it. It's the hobgoblin from MM5. It is the only creature that explicitly says spellcasting is an Ex ability. Without that, the argument for it is incredibly flimsy and convoluted. |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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« Reply #541 on: November 06, 2009, 10:52:58 AM » |
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Solar's aren't a splat book... But I see your point. Okay, I'm gonna be democratic about it. We already have like 10-12 (I think?) people preparing for this. I'll make a vote/poll thing for a week. Sound good?
The solar isn't the basis for the argument that you get it. It's the hobgoblin from MM5. It is the only creature that explicitly says spellcasting is an Ex ability. Without that, the argument for it is incredibly flimsy and convoluted. There's also the argument that states since it's not Su or SLA, it's a natural ability... blah blah blah. I actually hadn't heard the MM5 argument before. Good to know for reference, thanks. But yeah, we'll just let the poll make the final decision. |
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« Reply #542 on: November 06, 2009, 11:13:08 AM » |
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If you remove maneuvers, spellcasting and sneak attack, the other things are already cool. heck i was shapechanging into a solar already and I wasn't even gonna use the clerical spellcasting.
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« Reply #543 on: November 06, 2009, 11:34:06 AM » |
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Eh, I was only using it for Divine Power anyway, I can get an item if I have to  |
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« Reply #544 on: November 06, 2009, 11:38:02 AM » |
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Eh, I was only using it for Divine Power anyway, I can get an item if I have to If you've got a divine caster, have them put it in a ring of spellstoring for you. |
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« Reply #545 on: November 06, 2009, 11:40:26 AM » |
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Eh, I was only using it for Divine Power anyway, I can get an item if I have to Or UMD and a wand. |
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« Reply #546 on: November 06, 2009, 11:42:56 AM » |
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I'm seriously tempted to modify my build so i can get some incantatrix in, and keep my awesome archivist STUN.
Or just be the party's devastatingly good buffer and killer by just being a wizard/ war weaver/spell guard/incantatrix caster, or something...
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« Reply #547 on: November 06, 2009, 11:48:37 AM » |
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I'm seriously tempted to modify my build so i can get some incantatrix in, and keep my awesome archivist STUN.
Or just be the party's devastatingly good buffer and killer by just being a wizard/ war weaver/spell guard/incantatrix caster, or something...
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« Reply #548 on: November 06, 2009, 11:52:37 AM » |
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I'm seriously tempted to modify my build so i can get some incantatrix in, and keep my awesome archivist STUN.
Or just be the party's devastatingly good buffer and killer by just being a wizard/ war weaver/spell guard/incantatrix caster, or something...
You could be exactly like me. It's ... it's everything i ever wanted !!  |
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« Reply #549 on: November 06, 2009, 11:56:23 AM » |
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As an aside I'll be alright if you ban spellcasting gain from Shapechange.
Edit: I assume that Shapechanging into anything that breaks the action economy like Chronotyryn is banned?
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« Reply #550 on: November 06, 2009, 01:03:18 PM » |
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Y'know, looking up this game had me thinking... Is there a planar Zoo somewhere?
"On this side, you can see the garden variety orc. Given how they're beginning adventurer slaying fodder, we'll only spend twenty seconds looking at it."
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« Reply #551 on: November 06, 2009, 01:42:06 PM » |
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An entire 20 seconds? |
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« Reply #552 on: November 06, 2009, 02:43:10 PM » |
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That's more then 3 rounds! That's longer than an assassin's death attack.  As for the Chronotyryn, Fiend Folio isn't on the list...  Alastar, just make sure to bone up on errata for the Incantrix, if you go that route. |
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« Reply #553 on: November 06, 2009, 02:47:47 PM » |
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That's more then 3 rounds! That's longer than an assassin's death attack. As for the Chronotyryn, Fiend Folio isn't on the list... Alastar, just make sure to bone up on errata for the Incantrix, if you go that route. Can you sum it up to me? |
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« Reply #554 on: November 06, 2009, 02:52:08 PM » |
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That's more then 3 rounds! That's longer than an assassin's death attack. As for the Chronotyryn, Fiend Folio isn't on the list... Alastar, just make sure to bone up on errata for the Incantrix, if you go that route. Can you sum it up to me? Wait, there's errata? Please fill me in... |
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« Reply #555 on: November 06, 2009, 02:53:52 PM » |
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That's more then 3 rounds! That's longer than an assassin's death attack. As for the Chronotyryn, Fiend Folio isn't on the list... Alastar, just make sure to bone up on errata for the Incantrix, if you go that route. I meant things like that. It's not the only creature that gets extra actions you know.  Edit: The errata says "Page 63: Incantatrix Prestige Class Please add the following sentence to the end of the Instant Metamagic class feature description: The incantatrix cannot use this ability if the metamagicked spell would normally use a spell slot of a higher level than she can cast" |
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« Reply #556 on: November 06, 2009, 03:03:06 PM » |
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That's more then 3 rounds! That's longer than an assassin's death attack. As for the Chronotyryn, Fiend Folio isn't on the list... Alastar, just make sure to bone up on errata for the Incantrix, if you go that route. I meant things like that. It's not the only creature that gets extra actions you know. Edit: The errata says "Page 63: Incantatrix Prestige Class Please add the following sentence to the end of the Instant Metamagic class feature description: The incantatrix cannot use this ability if the metamagicked spell would normally use a spell slot of a higher level than she can cast" I'm AFB right now, so I'll ask it here. Is 'Instant Metamagic' the ability that lets you persist personal buffs and the like? |
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« Reply #557 on: November 06, 2009, 03:04:53 PM » |
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That's more then 3 rounds! That's longer than an assassin's death attack. As for the Chronotyryn, Fiend Folio isn't on the list... Alastar, just make sure to bone up on errata for the Incantrix, if you go that route. I meant things like that. It's not the only creature that gets extra actions you know. Edit: The errata says "Page 63: Incantatrix Prestige Class Please add the following sentence to the end of the Instant Metamagic class feature description: The incantatrix cannot use this ability if the metamagicked spell would normally use a spell slot of a higher level than she can cast" I'm AFB right now, so I'll ask it here. Is 'Instant Metamagic' the ability that lets you persist personal buffs and the like? Yeah, it's the ability that lets you apply metamagic to a spell that has already been cast and is currently active. |
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« Reply #558 on: November 06, 2009, 03:15:07 PM » |
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Yeah, it's the ability that lets you apply metamagic to a spell that has already been cast and is currently active.
No it's not. Instant Metamagic is applied "on the fly" as you cast the spell, and is only useable like 2x per day. The Incantatrix has two other methods to apply metamagic to spells (1 to already cast spells, 1 to spells as they are cast). These are called Metamagic Effect and Cooperative Metamagic, IIRC. Both of those can be used like 1xInt Mod times per day, and require a spellcraft check. Those abilities weren't nerfed at all in the Errata. |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
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« Reply #559 on: November 06, 2009, 03:20:24 PM » |
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Sorry, I didn't actually look it up.  Phaedrus is spot on, except that Metamagic Effect and cooperative effect are 3 + Int Mod times per day. |
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