Character part 2.

[gagnrath]

Preface this as the same.  This is what happens when/if the DM shows us that nothing the characters do can effect his world or story in any way, when he blurbs in his chosen of mystra has his god stop time for him to keep his shop of all things good magic intact and in place and no one dies because the wizard rogue is teleported out of his city exactly when the good artifact and opistional evil artifact are brought into contact so only he dies.  Even though the uber wizard was in the next room and couldn't see what was going on.

This character Is going to be either 10th or 15th level.  Would like to see build ideas for both.  Anything goes that isn't directly labeled vile or that you need to be evil to take.  This character is to be an exercize in broken.  Over half the party is getting ready to leave the group permantly if this character and his companions are brought in.

The most damage possible.  He is going to cry havoc.

Only one requirement is that it have one rank in preform whistling.

CN

Chaos is the order of the day we are going to be in his main city and crying havoc.

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The longer we can sow chaos and disruption about his city the better but we're going for sheer damage and brokenness over surivival.

[Jedda]

Thus things make a bit more sense, still think your DM is a touch nuts though

Druid or Wizard probably the latter for damage?

Unless you want some sort of diplomacy build and convince the citizens to tear down their city?

[woodenbandman]

Just do Locate City bomb. And get immunity to Electricity, Sonic, and Cold.

[gagnrath]

I like the locate city bomb and druid ideas.


Have you a reference for the locate city bomb spell or ritual which ever it is.
This is likely to be the character played to be honest though I want to have a non- game wrecking character availible from part 1 in case he actually reads and modifies his game somewhat to the wishes of the players.

Just as funniness and foreshadowing for him the character if a druid is going to be named cat shannon, and have written at the top of the sheet.  Because after last session he's going to ask to see it. 

"This character is dedicated to Brother Peter, Nicodeemus, Kareem, Willow (the party that went down to utter bs and those in the shop that should have died) and all those in unmarked graves- At least we tried."

[BowenSilverclaw]

And with a DM like this you honestly believe he's gonna let your character break any part of the game? He'll just pull something out of his ass if he doesn't like what you're doing.

[PhaedrusXY]

And with a DM like this you honestly believe he's gonna let your character break any part of the game? He'll just pull something out of his ass if he doesn't like what you're doing.

Nah, I had a friend who was a terrible DM. Sounds a lot like this guy. One of the last games he ran was a superhero game. There was an apocalyptic battle where all of his evil uber-NPCs were figthing his good uber-NPCs. One guy was playing a scientist type, and had previously nonchalantly asked the DM if he could construct a nuclear warhead. The DM, who only half listed to what the PCs were even saying, agreed because he wasn't really paying attention.

So during the "final battle", this guy flies up over the city in his power-suit, and says "Ok, I'm dropping the nuke on all of them.". The DM was like "What?!... You can't do that." The PC was like "Watch me."

That was the end of the campaign, and the end of this guy's DMing career. After that, we told him he was welcome to play in any of our games, but we'd never play under him as a DM again.

That was like 15 years ago. Recently the guy who's character dropped the nuke said they'd decided to give this guy another chance at DMing. He started a superhero game, and brought back all his old NPCs.

[gagnrath]

He doesn't usually listen welland what is done is often undone next time we play in a weird write in the the super npc's and gods change my world back to basically the way it was before the characters did anything, but while its happening he'll probably go along with it, or not get it till its a foregone conculsion.  The group will at least have fun knowing/watching him freak out as his world/game/life comes down around his shoulders.    Its kinda cruel but the point is a fun way to top off ending things instead of just going your stupid and no fun we aren't playing anymore and walking out.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Well, as long as you guys have fun I guess..

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Pulling out ALL the stops, you say?

Become Pun-Pun.  The GM undoes things with gods?  Be a bigger god.

[Havok4]

As long as he does not frequent boards such as these you should be able to pull off pun-pun if you need to. Also as the sarruhk is from a forgotten realms source book it even fits into the campaigns world as far as I can tell. If you manage to pull this off bring a camera so we can see the expression on his face.

Another option would be something you could just pull out of your hat is to look at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1173555. There are several ways to blow up the campaign world in that thread.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Just remember to get singular enemy and divine rank 21 right off the bat.

[PhaedrusXY]

Just remember to get singular enemy and divine rank 21 right off the bat.

During your first Time Stop, preferably.

[gagnrath]

Ooo actually using pun pun seems like a terrible yet intriguing idea. 

I sort of thought it was an unwritten rule of pun pun that no one actually used pun pun.

[Negative Zero]

It is. But it doesn't sound like your DM likes the rules very much.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Ooo actually using pun pun seems like a terrible yet intriguing idea. 

I sort of thought it was an unwritten rule of pun pun that no one actually used pun pun.

I've heard of it done two or three times.

I kept Pun-Pun as a joking "in case of TPK break glass" for my kobold spellcaster, but never actually used it.

[gagnrath]

I just think the whole line of "I didn't roll a 1, I hit, its dead" will probably cause the most issues.   Especially since I'm going to hand him the base kobold character sheet for in town where I walk around as a weak kobold in a gnome form.  Then I'm going to make a point of going to the outhouse to excersize my kobold abilities.

[Hazren]

Then I'm going to make a point of going to the outhouse to excersize my kobold abilities.

I am so going to sig that. 

Mental image is almost too much. 

[gagnrath]

Well it sorta worked.  He of course decided that his uber wizard chosen of mystra hadn't yet fullfilled his destany.  To he was brought back and used a 1single wish spell to rebuild his uber magic shop res about 50 different people, and bring back into existence over 50 million gold peices worth of magic items.  Without taking any xp hit or level loss what so ever.

Brought in my pun pun character.  Named carlos shannon who shapeshifted in and just upped all his ability scores to 50 to start with.  I didn't want to be unreasonable.  DM was fine with it when I gave him the character sheet and explained that, "  If you let me buff I essentially have permant buffs that make me the next closest thing to invincible".  Challenged one of the other characters to a game of darts in a tavern and of course promptly beat him.  The throwing ranger then challenged me and I promptly beat him.  at this point he complained.  That there was no way my kobold shapechanger could beat him in a game of darts ooc.  I showed him how it was done and the DM was just retared enough to back me up and say.  "I approved the character."  He approved pun pun with 10 extra levels of druid and swashbuckler after having been told that I can buff my ability scores so that I really probably won't ever miss.  He was proud of it.   The other player then started whining till the bartender stepped in to break things up in "pun pun's" favor.  I decided to cold cock the barkeeper because it was funny and then used my amazing diplomacy and bluff to get the city guard to believe the lord of the town had done it.  It wa about this time that the DM started wondering what the hell he had done and said that "The head paladin of Pelor (another uber npc of his) has started heading out from the temple to check out the comotion"  The kobold ducks out behind the stables and buffs up to divine rank 50 using a stable mouse oh and a little over 10,000 strength.  Then walks back in to confront the paladin.

Since no one had ever confronted the paladin before in actual combat the only stats he had from him were a 25th level 3.0 paladin with nothing particularly special besides a holy avenger.   Oops win init by auto rolling a 20 + 5000 bonus to dex but I just ask unless you rolled over 50 I go first did you.  I went first and pulled my punch doing 350 subdual  He was knocked out.  Pour beer on him and plant a false memory of getting drunk and running over a elf child as he was drunkenly cavorting through the streets on on his mount.  The paladin wakes up cries out to his god to ask for dedemption, and the god answers(the DM was getting flustered at his point)   I walk up and dismiss miss the god.  At this point he goes I don't know what you did but were done, and we got to run 4th editions stuff with one of us DMing and him playing.  It was much better because we weren't getting superrailroaded along and things were logical.  I really prefer a sensibly DM'ed 3.5 game but a decent game with a poor system is 10,000 times better than a bad game with a good but flawed system.  I technically still have a deified pun pun legally in his game at the moment but I think ao is coming for me next week.   We'll see how that goes.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Woah, that actually worked out pretty well.

Glad to hear we could be of service (now where's a swashbuckler with plumed hat emoticon when you need one)

[gagnrath]

Having an epic warrior and the head sun god in your world shot down in 45 minutes of gaming with a character you approved after the player told you that it wasn't a great idea, tends to shut you up and make you want to curl into a corner and cry which is essentially what happened.

Though the whole issue brings up an interesting question.  If a good character that depends on being within a moral code believes he did something outside of it.  Even if he actually didn't how does that effect his class skills?