[d20M] The Good, the Bad, and the Undead

[BowenSilverclaw]

Mmh? What book are you using? Does Sidewinder have different stats for the weapons than D20 Past? I've just been using the weapon stat blocks in D20 Past...

Do you think Evasion is better than Uncanny Dodge I?


You're right about the saves, that was a holdover from my previous build I think...

[j0lt]

It does, they were done independently and by different companies.  You can use whichever you like, but I think the ones in Sidewinder are a little stronger.

Evasion is definitely better, and you also need it to get Uncanny Dodge. 

[BowenSilverclaw]

*headdesk* Forgot about Evasion as a prereq...


Got the stats for the S&W Model No. 3 Schofield revolver on hand by any chance? Or the closest thing... (thinking about getting a revolver anyway )

Also, any price on autoloaders?


EDIT: Updated sheet

[j0lt]

Schofield is 2d6, range 30, $28 (someone in the group has one/reload time: 1 full-round action)
Peacemaker has the same stats, but is only $18 (reload time: 2 full-round actions
Colt Walker Dragoon is a .44 - 2d6, range 40, $20 (replace cylinder: 4 full-round actions)

There are also a couple double-action revolvers (you don't need to manually cock the hammer)
Colt Thunderer, same stats and price as the Schofield. (reload time: 2 full-round actions)

[BowenSilverclaw]

Does double action provide any real benefits in terms of game mechanics?

I mainly went with the Schofield because it's a top break revolver, so a valid target for a speed loader (speaking of which, got a price estimate on that?)...

[j0lt]

legal notice: This is all SRD so I can type it out here without being sued or jailed. 

Single-Action Revolvers
When using a single-action revolver (as opposed to a double-action revolver), the hammer must be manually cocked; the cowpoke using such a hogleg first cocks the hammer and then pulls the trigger to fire a shot.  This makes for a bit slower draw-and-fire action, but it allows the shooter to use various feats to fire off more than one bullet per attack (see the Slip Hammer and Hammer down feats)...

Double-Action Revolvers
Double-action revolvers are both cocked and fired by simply pulling the trigger, giving them a slight edge when performing a fast draw.Characters using double-action revolvers receive a +1 equipment bonus to initiative checks occurring during a Showdown.  In addition, due to their quick operation, experienced gunfighters can use the Double Tap feat to fire off more that one bullet in an attack.  However, as a compensating drawback, due to the stiff trigger action, most double-action revolvers of the period were less accurate than their single-action kin.  Unless otherwise noted, characters using double-action revolvers suffer a -1 penalty to hit.

Speedloaders hadn't been invented yet, but some gunslingers carried a few extra cylinders with them and just replaced the whole cylinder, which was much faster than reloading each cartridge.  I'll rule that a spare cylinder costs 1/10th of the full price of the revolver, so a spare cylinder for a Schofield would cost $2.80 and weigh half a pound.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Any good double-action revolvers that don't incur that -1 penalty?

EDIT: Apparently Colt offered a speed loader in the late 19th century if teh intarwebz is to be believed...
But yeah, the cylinder swap sounds good

[j0lt]

Colt Thunderer (and the smaller Colt Lightning, which does 2d4)

[BowenSilverclaw]

So, same stats as the Schofield, no -1, and Double Tap option?

But longer reload time...



EDIT: What would the reload times be for the Schofield and Thunderer when swapping the entire cylinder instead of reloading each cartridge individually?

[Bozwevial]

I like the Schofield. It was pretty much the only weapon I saw with a tolerable reloading time...but then, I'm not really combat oriented, so it won't matter so much.

[j0lt]

Now I know how a Holocron feels!   

It doesn't list the cylinder swap times, but I'd assume it would take at least as long, if not longer than the manual reload times.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Then what's the use of it? The idea is that it's faster to swap the cylinder than to swap all 6 bullets individually...

I know it was used in real life. Any thoughts about that Colt speed loader yet by the way?

[j0lt]

Then what's the use of it? The idea is that it's faster to swap the cylinder than to swap all 6 bullets individually...

I know it was used in real life. Any thoughts about that Colt speed loader yet by the way?

No idea.  Maybe those weapons are more difficult to disassemble?

I don't think it really fits the feel of the old west, so I'm gonna say no for now.  If we find that we REALLY need 'em, I may introduce them later.

[BowenSilverclaw]

Okidoki

I'll go with the S&W then

[j0lt]

Groovy!  Does anyone have any other things they need to figure out for their characters?  We've got a gear monkey (Bowen), a sawbones (Boz), and a priest who's lost his faith (Jace).  Later on, Nanshork will be joining us, and possibly PhaedrusXY as well.

If everybody's ready, I'll sign us up for the official thread! 

[BowenSilverclaw]

Let's rock

[MasterVega]

Well crap. I come back from my vacation and you guys have already started. Sorry about that, J0lt. >_>

[BowenSilverclaw]

You might still be able to join in.

Just ask our friendly neigbourhood GM

[j0lt]

*swing*  As long as you can put your character together within a week, you're good!

[MasterVega]

Alrighty, I'll read through this whole thing and then decide on a character.