Ashera
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« on: May 07, 2009, 01:52:03 AM » |
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Hello all
I'm making a sorcerer to replace my late wizard in our ongoing campaign. It's gestalt, it's pure dungeoncrawl, and it has a ton of undead and elementals so far. We are a small party, so I cant be too specialized. I'd like to be able to blast and CC and if possible, a draconic element. We can use almost all books, no tome of magic, tome of battle or magic of incarnum though. Roleplaying requirements are as important as the feat requirements, so no spellguard of silverymoon:(
We also arent using templates, or dipping into prestigecalsses (which means, only one unfinished prestigeclass at lvl 20)
so far, this is what I've come up with
1 sorcerer ½elf paragon
2 ½elf paragon ninja
3 sorcerer ½elf paragon
4 sorcerer human paragon
5 human paragon paladin
6 incantatrix human paragon
7 incantatrix paladin
8 incantatrix ninja
9 incantatrix paladin
10 incantatrix ninja
11 incantatrix paladin
12 incantatrix ninja
13 incantatrix paladin
14 incantatrix ninja
15 incantatrix paladin
16 wyrm wizard ninja
17 wyrm wizard sorcerer
18 wyrm wizard paladin
19 wyrm wizard sorcerer
20 wyrm wizard ninja
I'll be using dragonblooded sorcerer
feats:
Ancestral relic (we get this fro free)
versatile caster
heighten spell
iron will
ascetic monk
dragon breath
empower spell
dragon breath
arcane thesis (scorchin ray)
rapid metamagic
energy sub (acid)
chain spell
split ray
arcane preparation
my stats are str 12, dex 14, con 16, int 14, wis 10, char 18 (yes, it's a high powered campaign)
I was wondering if anyone can improve it or has some ideas...wyrm wizard isn't really set i stone, I just find it cool to get 2 spells from any spelllist. Ninja and paladin are mostly there for some defensive abilities
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 02:06:59 AM » |
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Well, I'll be the first one to post the obligatory "venerable dragonwrought desert kobold" recommendation. Toss in the draconic rites of passage for effective +1 level of sorcerer at the cost of a couple hundred gp and four or five hp.
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Ashera
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 02:24:56 AM » |
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 no kobolds...we are using the normal races + the ones from forgotten realms campaign setting |
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 06:05:32 AM » |
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Sorry, I thought that SRD content was open.
Could you be a little more specific about your available sources, then?
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Ashera
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 06:25:58 AM » |
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we'll, we use most of the content in the complete series, races of dragon, Dragon magic, Forgotten Realms books. We also use races of the Wild, of Stone and destiny. We are limited to no templates, no ECL races, and only "normal races" i.e. humans, elves dwarfes - basically, variants of the ones from PH. Basically, feats, spells and pretigeclasses are almost always accepted, races are not
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j0lt
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 07:11:42 AM » |
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It may not be the most powerful option, but I always liked the flavour of Dragon Disciple, and it would seemingly fit your character. Maybe focus mostly on Sorcerer and Paladin, then move into DD while keeping up your spellcaster levels?
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 07:53:38 AM » |
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Silverbrow human or Star Elf might be a better racial choice than half elf. Silverbrow humans get the dragonblood subtype for free, a racial bonus to disguise, and featherfall a couple of times per day in exchange for 1 sp/level, and star elves are just great.
There's also the faerun-based "lesser aasimar", which is also pretty good, if you can get it. It's exactly the same as a normal aasimar, but is a humanoid (planetouched) instead of outsider, and doesn't afraid of anything is detailed in, IIRC, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.
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ksbsnowowl
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2009, 09:58:00 AM » |
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Silverbrow human or Star Elf might be a better racial choice than half elf. Silverbrow humans get the dragonblood subtype for free, a racial bonus to disguise, and featherfall a couple of times per day in exchange for 1 sp/level, and star elves are just great.
There's also the faerun-based "lesser aasimar", which is also pretty good, if you can get it. It's exactly the same as a normal aasimar, but is a humanoid (planetouched) instead of outsider, and doesn't afraid of anything is detailed in, IIRC, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting Player's Guide to Faerun.
Fixed that for ya. |
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Braithwaite
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2009, 11:39:06 AM » |
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Sorcerer/Dragon Shaman has a lot of love also. Dragon Shaman's primary weakness as a class is that they need something useful to do with their actions once they have their aura up, but adding sorcerer fixes that. Quicken Breath+ Entangling breath is a good way to begin a fight if you can do it at the same time as a sorcerer spell.
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Ashera
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2009, 02:22:32 AM » |
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we dont use PHII, so no dragon shaman.
I was considering lesser aasimar, but I dont see how thats better than getting 2 paragon classes that both grants a bonus and +2 to any stat
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2009, 07:35:58 AM » |
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Well, in my opinion the racial paragon classes aren't particularly good outside of a few niche cases... I suppose the spell progression levels are still better than plain sorcerer, but it seems like you should be able to do something better with your levels than that.
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Ashera
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2009, 04:56:53 PM » |
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I'd have thouht so too, but the feats I get extra seem better to me than other classe abilities...
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Generic_PC
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2009, 07:17:46 PM » |
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How are you actually getting Paragon levels without SRD/UA?
Anyway, Gestalt is probably the best way to use Dragon Disciple. Go for something like...
Sorcerer 5/Incantrix10/Sorcerer 5//Half-Elf Paragon 3/Human Paragon 3/whatever 9/Dragon Disciple 5
Just make sure whatever is a base class.
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DavidWL
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2009, 09:59:17 PM » |
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Stuff ...
2 spells from any spelllist. Ninja and paladin are mostly there for some defensive abilities
Actually, given your constraints, I think it is a quite nice build. You have good charisma synergy (Cha to spells, Saves, AC), and you make up the "dead" levels on the other side. I think Wyrm Wizard is really a very nice late-level addition, as it let's you pick up Miracle as a 9th level spell - invaluable to a Sorcerer who only has a finite number of spell slots. Depending on the DM, perhaps you could also pick up greater anyspell. You really only need 2 levels of Paladin and 1 level of Ninja. You could then Dip fighter for a couple of feats (say, improved initiative or improved toughness), Dip Incarnate for some soulmelds, Dip Rogue 2 for evasion, Hexblade for more save goodness and Mettle, etc. Best, David |
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Ashera
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2009, 01:43:02 AM » |
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How are you actually getting Paragon levels without SRD/UA?
lol..I may be getting old...I completely forgot to write that UA is used - parts of it at least. Paragon classes, and gestalt only. No Bloodlines, no flaws - but I can live with that, I chose sorcerer partly out of vanity, and superhigh cha is a bit wasted if I stack up on flaws:) |
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