GrokThis
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« Reply #180 on: January 05, 2011, 02:19:44 PM » |
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Hi all, new to the forum boards. Have recently discovered the warlock, and I think I really like the class. I've made a melee gestalt combo I think is pretty sweet, and we've house ruled that PrCs can be used on both sides of the combo, so here goes:
On one side, Warlock 16/Binder 1/Hellfire Warlock3
On the other Chaos Monk 2/Battle Dancer 8/Panther Shen 10
Monk Feats: Imp. Grapple, Imp. Initiative
Other feats, in no particular order: Spell Penetration, Imp. Natural Attack, Superior Unarmed Strike, Elditch Claws (Dragon # 358), Beast Claws (Dragon #355), Grappling Blast (Dragon #358), Scribe Scroll
HellFire Warlock, or course, gives you the Hellfire Shield whenever you get hit, and Panther Shen lets you make an AoO WHENEVER someone attacks and misses if they threaten you. At epic levels (if you took Hideous Blow and the epic feat Eldritch Sculptor) you're pumping out some hefty damage every round. Add a pair of Slippers of Battledancing (gives Cha to attack and damage instead of Str or Dex - DMG2) and maybe a Monk's Belt, and you really only need to worry about your Cha and Con scores. (Battledancer [Dragon Compendium] gives you Cha to AC like the monk's Wis to AC.)
Our DM also ruled that since Hideous Blow IS essentially an attack action, it does not provoke AoO. (Knowing my predilection for unarmed combat.) He figured it was only fair since the rogue gets weapon damage and sneak attack damage, and spellcasters are just crazy powerful. With his campaigns, no one gets what they want to do all the time, so I would be using ranged combat quite a lot as well, giving everyone a chance to be badass.
With epic levels, taking Eldritch Sculptor and Lord of all Essences will truly make Hideous Blow worthwhile for melee warlocks.
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GrokThis
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« Reply #181 on: January 05, 2011, 02:31:17 PM » |
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Our DM also ruled that since Hideous Blow IS essentially an attack action
That should reed melee action, sorry. |
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« Reply #182 on: January 05, 2011, 03:02:10 PM » |
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I likes me some sneak attack on the other side of that warlock ... but that's just me. also, you missed a step |
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 If you stop ignoring 289 pages telling what the intent is to stretch "more power" in your own god complexion of your interpretation trumps all to cover ability adjustments from aging then I will ignore a quarter page of rules that exist within a sidebar.
I think in this case the grammar is less important than whether the Str and Dex bonus provided to your created undead scales.
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GrokThis
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« Reply #183 on: January 05, 2011, 05:49:34 PM » |
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Ah! Thanks, taken care of now.  |
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Pimpforged
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« Reply #184 on: January 19, 2011, 04:15:41 PM » |
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Don't know what Battle Dancer and Panther Shen do, and I don't have my books on me, but I would see if the DM will allow you to use Enlightened Fist stuff with Elderitch Blast. Flurry with EB damage to each attack, uses up a stunning attempt or two, can't remember.
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Omen of Peace
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« Reply #185 on: January 27, 2011, 10:55:03 AM » |
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FYI: I rated the Warlock invocations a looong time ago, though unfortunately Thinblade never integrated that into his guide. |
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Silanah heard their songs and prayers. And she watched. Sometimes mortals did indeed forget. Sometimes, mortals needed… reminding…
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« Reply #186 on: January 27, 2011, 01:18:57 PM » |
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I see no information there that isn't here. More importantly, even your post has Thinblade's comments and such. All that's lacking here is color-coding which isn't exactly necessary. |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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Omen of Peace
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« Reply #187 on: January 27, 2011, 04:41:13 PM » |
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*sigh*
I see BG hasn't changed.
Some people find the color-coding helpful ; there are a few added comments as well (of course Thinblade's comments are there, it's from his original thread on the WotC boards).
More importantly, I never pretended this would cause a revolution. ^^
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Silanah heard their songs and prayers. And she watched. Sometimes mortals did indeed forget. Sometimes, mortals needed… reminding…
The Malazan Book of the Fallen, Steven Erikson
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snakeman830
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« Reply #188 on: January 27, 2011, 10:54:06 PM » |
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Sorry if I came off as accusing, I just didn't see any comments that aren't here already. What were some of them?
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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Thinblade
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« Reply #189 on: January 30, 2011, 08:40:09 PM » |
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You're right, I didn't incorporate them. I thought about it, but in the end decided that the color coding doesn't really add anything to the guide. Sorry I didn't tell you to your (digital) face; I've sort of let this guide slide since the end of 3e and my entry into the workforce. That's no excuse, though. My apologies.
That said, I've recently started playing a warlock again, low level, and I've been reminded of just how hideously strong Summon Swarm is in the early levels. I've got the DM cursing me at nearly every encounter. It's great.
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« Reply #190 on: January 30, 2011, 08:45:30 PM » |
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Wait until he hears what the Dark Speech feat can do.
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« Reply #191 on: January 30, 2011, 09:52:05 PM » |
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Wait until he hears what the Dark Speech feat can do.
Give it the hivemind special quality from 3.5 LM. That results in giving it an int score, and susceptibility to mind-affecting spells and abilities. |
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« Reply #192 on: January 31, 2011, 11:21:47 AM » |
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...and Sorcerer Spellcasting.
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Read, every day, something no one else is reading. Think, every day, something no one else is thinking. Do, every day, something no one else would be silly enough to do. It is bad for the mind to be always part of unanimity.
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Agita
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« Reply #193 on: January 31, 2011, 11:30:44 AM » |
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...and Sorcerer Spellcasting.
That's the BoVD version. I'm pretty sure it doesn't do that in 3.5. |
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« Reply #194 on: January 31, 2011, 01:04:52 PM » |
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...and Sorcerer Spellcasting.
Not anymore. |
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« Reply #195 on: January 31, 2011, 01:25:37 PM » |
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I can't find where they put the hivemind rules in LM.
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #196 on: January 31, 2011, 02:08:02 PM » |
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Expanded swarm subtype and swarmshifter.
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« Reply #197 on: February 01, 2011, 01:20:07 PM » |
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The most recent Dark Speech is in Fiendish Codex (I or II, I don't remember), and I believe there are expanded Hive Mind rules in BoVD.
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« Reply #198 on: February 01, 2011, 01:37:14 PM » |
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The most recent Dark Speech is in Fiendish Codex (I or II, I don't remember), and I believe there are expanded Hive Mind rules in BoVD.
The most recent Dark Speech is in Elder Evils, the last 3.5 supplement to be released, and BoVD is 3.0. |
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« Reply #199 on: February 01, 2011, 03:54:29 PM » |
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Oh yeah, I forgot about Elder Evils. Bah, can't keep track of all these versions... nearly as bad as the grafting rules... *grumble*
Is hive mind detailed anywhere else?
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