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« Reply #580 on: March 20, 2009, 11:54:10 PM »

Step 4: The whole party is now immune to spells. The Psion also gets free power points whenever someone casts a spell on him.
While I will admit that the wording is fuzzy in a couple places, there are enough references to indicate that this "immunity" only applies to spells cast by the caster who created the dweomer to begin with.
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« Reply #581 on: March 21, 2009, 12:21:30 AM »

Legendary Artisan and Extraordinary Artisan allow you to (nearly) triple your WBL if you craft before you start. And it's especially good if you either retrain them, Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle 'em, or use psychic reformation to knock them out.

Spend 1 level's worth of XP (at higher levels), and you can seriously increase your power level above and beyond what you normally would have. And the best thing is, you'll catch back up on XP in no time.

[edit] And you can also afford much better items than you otherwise could. Like a skin of proteus by level 10.

[edit edit] Well, you could be evil and get a necklace of mighty fists +3 (set to the gloves slot, to reduce the price down to the regular cost of a weapon enhancement), and substitute the suppression special quality for +2 of the enhancement bonus.

Then, you can metamorphosis into a roper, or a hydra, or something, and dispel psionics at your ML with every hit. Twitch
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« Reply #582 on: March 21, 2009, 12:32:30 AM »

By the way, what's that I hear about dragonwrought kobolds qualifying for epic feats?
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« Reply #583 on: March 21, 2009, 05:35:21 AM »

By the way, what's that I hear about dragonwrought kobolds qualifying for epic feats?

Great Wyrm dragons automatically qualify as epic for purposes of taking epic feats.  Venerable dragonwrought kobolds are dragons, and great wyrms, so they count.
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« Reply #584 on: March 21, 2009, 10:12:41 AM »

Step 4: The whole party is now immune to spells. The Psion also gets free power points whenever someone casts a spell on him.
While I will admit that the wording is fuzzy in a couple places, there are enough references to indicate that this "immunity" only applies to spells cast by the caster who created the dweomer to begin with.
Those references are most likely due to the fact it's not supposed to be used as actual immunity, but rather as a way to charge the party Psion up. Just like Astral Projection refertences the material plane, so by strictly RAW, you'd leave your body on the prime even if you cast it in Gehenna. However, check out this sentence:
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For the duration of the spell, any spells cast at the subject don’t have their usual effect, instead converting themselves harmlessly into psionic energy that the subject can use as energy for psionic powers.
This is the sentence that states that spells cast on the target(s) have no effect - and it doesn't reference the caster at all. Seems clear enough to me.
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« Reply #585 on: March 21, 2009, 01:07:04 PM »

Ugh, that's a case of rules-lawyering/selective-reading and you know it. But, this being the dirty trick handbook, if your DM lets you get away with it then all the more power to you.
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« Reply #586 on: March 21, 2009, 01:28:07 PM »

Ugh, that's a case of rules-lawyering/selective-reading and you know it. But, this being the dirty trick handbook, if your DM lets you get away with it then all the more power to you.
No, it's a case of Wizards not even trying to proofread anything related to Psionics.
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« Reply #587 on: March 21, 2009, 01:39:53 PM »

I gotta say I agree with Agita on this one. Doesn't really seem al too subjective to me...
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« Reply #588 on: March 21, 2009, 01:42:15 PM »

Ugh, that's a case of rules-lawyering/selective-reading and you know it. But, this being the dirty trick handbook, if your DM lets you get away with it then all the more power to you.
I don't think it's selective reading at all. The only part of the spell that references the caster is the part that says the target gets power points. Yes, you can read it to only grant pps if the caster is the one casting the spell - but the "Spells don't have their usual effect" does not reference the caster in any way.
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« Reply #589 on: March 21, 2009, 02:25:02 PM »

Inspired by Surreal's post.

Step 1: Everyone in the party takes Wild Talent or Hidden Talent or otherwise plays a psionic character.
Step 2: Someone Plays a DMM Persist&Chain Cleric.
Step 3: Said Cleric casts a Chained Persisted Dweomer of Transefernce at the beginning of each day.
Step 4: The whole party is now immune to spells. The Psion also gets free power points whenever someone casts a spell on him.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: The obligatory profit!

Now, could the power point function also be fueled by, say, a Warlock's SLAs? I doubt it, but it would be hilarious.

I wouldn't think you could Persist Dweomer of Transference out of the box, because it's not a fixed range spell. Ocular Spell would fix that, though.
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« Reply #590 on: March 21, 2009, 03:00:40 PM »

Wow.

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« Reply #591 on: March 21, 2009, 04:59:52 PM »

Inspired by Surreal's post.

Step 1: Everyone in the party takes Wild Talent or Hidden Talent or otherwise plays a psionic character.
Step 2: Someone Plays a DMM Persist&Chain Cleric.
Step 3: Said Cleric casts a Chained Persisted Dweomer of Transefernce at the beginning of each day.
Step 4: The whole party is now immune to spells. The Psion also gets free power points whenever someone casts a spell on him.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: The obligatory profit!

Now, could the power point function also be fueled by, say, a Warlock's SLAs? I doubt it, but it would be hilarious.

I wouldn't think you could Persist Dweomer of Transference out of the box, because it's not a fixed range spell. Ocular Spell would fix that, though.
I knew I'd forgotten something... >_> Yeah, you'll also need Ocular spell. Heh.
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« Reply #592 on: March 23, 2009, 01:56:36 PM »

Any reason why this won't work?

1) be Xth level (just barely)
2) Get level drained to (X-1)th, and fail the save on purpose.
3) Craft a bunch of stuff
4) Get hit with a Restoration

you have to be quick thouh since:

This spell functions like lesser restoration, except that it also dispels negative levels and restores one experience level to a creature who has had a level drained. The drained level is restored only if the time since the creature lost the level is equal to or less than one day per caster level. A character who has a level restored by restoration has exactly the minimum number of experience points necessary to restore him or her to his or her previous level.
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« Reply #593 on: March 23, 2009, 02:03:25 PM »

No, it's a case of Wizards not even trying to proofread anything related to Psionics.
No, it's a case of Wizards not even trying to proofread anything!
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« Reply #594 on: March 23, 2009, 04:27:34 PM »

The drained level is restored only if the time since the creature lost the level is equal to or less than one day per caster level.
There is always Greater Restoration if needed.
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« Reply #595 on: March 23, 2009, 05:25:52 PM »

just by saying that you triggerd something in my brain that makes me feel like playing a cleric soon that can create REAL sunlight and spontanyously cast restoration and shit like that...+

i thing the daylight cleric is in castle ravenloft... but i always forget where it is
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« Reply #596 on: March 23, 2009, 05:30:06 PM »

just by saying that you triggerd something in my brain that makes me feel like playing a cleric soon that can create REAL sunlight and spontanyously cast restoration and shit like that...+

i thing the daylight cleric is in castle ravenloft... but i always forget where it is
Expedition to Castle Ravenloft, in the appendix for player characters.
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« Reply #597 on: April 01, 2009, 10:00:57 PM »

Have we had Revenance + Revivify yet?

Revenance can be cast on a character that has been dead for 1 round/caster level. It lets them walk around, alive, for 1 minute/level, at which point they die again. You can do this during battle if you have to, or you can do it after battle if you've got the time left, since it's one standard action. When they die again, cast Revivify, which is a True Res as a standard action that can only be cast on something that's been dead for 1 round, and boom. True Res for 1000 gp.

Might not be dirty enough, but still nice.
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« Reply #598 on: April 01, 2009, 10:30:54 PM »

Have we had Revenance + Revivify yet?

Revenance can be cast on a character that has been dead for 1 round/caster level. It lets them walk around, alive, for 1 minute/level, at which point they die again. You can do this during battle if you have to, or you can do it after battle if you've got the time left, since it's one standard action. When they die again, cast Revivify, which is a True Res as a standard action that can only be cast on something that's been dead for 1 round, and boom. True Res for 1000 gp.

Might not be dirty enough, but still nice.

Could Revenance be DMM Persisted?
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« Reply #599 on: April 01, 2009, 10:33:37 PM »

Meh, craft contingent revivify is better.
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