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« Reply #240 on: October 28, 2008, 09:06:02 PM » |
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Sometimes I wonder if there's a REALLY good designer hidden away at WotC that creates these things as easter eggs just to see if anyone can find them. And I envision him cackling softly to himself in some dark corner as the other designers let his horrible ideas slip through the cracks.
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« Reply #241 on: October 28, 2008, 09:09:57 PM » |
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Sometimes I wonder if there's a REALLY good designer hidden away at WotC that creates these things as easter eggs just to see if anyone can find them. And I envision him cackling softly to himself in some dark corner as the other designers let his horrible ideas slip through the cracks.
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« Reply #242 on: October 28, 2008, 09:14:31 PM » |
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Am I correct in thinking that DCFS would be Dark Chaos feat swap?
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« Reply #243 on: October 28, 2008, 09:15:51 PM » |
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Am I correct in thinking that DCFS would be Dark Chaos feat swap?
Correct. |
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« Reply #244 on: October 28, 2008, 09:31:04 PM » |
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Where IS the Pazuzu from, by the way?
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« Reply #245 on: October 28, 2008, 09:34:19 PM » |
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Where IS the Pazuzu from, by the way?
FC I or II I believe. |
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« Reply #246 on: October 28, 2008, 09:59:26 PM » |
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« Reply #247 on: October 29, 2008, 01:16:37 AM » |
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I would not, at all, be surprised.
How else does stuff like Pazuzu and DCFS get written?
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's designers who are thinking from a DM's point of view only, who create things that are great for story purposes but insanely abusable in the hands of any player. It's the same people who made that campaign where all the doors were made of Adamantium or Mithral... so that the first player to realize he's got Fabricate and Shrink Item on his spell list just falls over in a giggling fit for an hour before he can deal with that fact. JaronK |
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« Reply #248 on: October 29, 2008, 03:56:53 PM » |
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Something I just came up with: Charm Person, Fling Ally and Distant Shot. The Andromeda galaxy is within my line of sight, right? You have to be level 21 unless you're a 17th-level rogue or dragonwrought kobold, though. Eberron could use this for deep-space probes - just have bloodstorm blades throw warforged. |
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« Reply #249 on: October 29, 2008, 04:03:38 PM » |
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Something I just came up with: Charm Person, Fling Ally and Distant Shot. The Andromeda galaxy is within my line of sight, right? You have to be level 21 unless you're a 17th-level rogue or dragonwrought kobold, though. A kobold that throws people into the sun? Why not? Also, it's 10th level rogue. So Goliath Rogue 10/Binder 1 just got a lot more interesting, eh? |
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« Reply #250 on: October 29, 2008, 04:06:07 PM » |
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Also, it's 10th level rogue. So Goliath Rogue 10/Binder 1 just got a lot more interesting, eh? Distant Shot still requires 30 ranks of Spot. Unless rogue bonus feats negate those prerequisites as well? |
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« Reply #251 on: October 29, 2008, 04:10:45 PM » |
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According to some, Rogue negates ALL pre-requisites. I think they are on drugs, but hey, there you go.
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« Reply #252 on: October 29, 2008, 04:13:29 PM » |
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According to some, Rogue negates ALL pre-requisites. I think they are on drugs, but hey, there you go.
Well, it's kind of binary. Either it ignores prerequisites, and so ignores all of them, or it doesn't ignore prerequisites at all, and there's no reason to mention rogues in this context. So I assumed, as rogues were mentioned, that it was the former context. |
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« Reply #253 on: October 29, 2008, 04:18:11 PM » |
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Yeah. Some weird-arsed reading of bits and pieces of the MM seem to indicate that all bonus feats are the same and bonus feats ignore pre-requisites unless otherwise indicated. I think it is just somebody with a beef against the system trying to creatively interprete things to make it look worse than it is. Perhaps his job application to WotC got rejected.
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« Reply #254 on: October 29, 2008, 05:11:31 PM » |
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Yeah. Some weird-arsed reading of bits and pieces of the MM seem to indicate that all bonus feats are the same and bonus feats ignore pre-requisites unless otherwise indicated. Well, this is the Dirty Trick Handbook.  And I'd think that such a vague reading of the MM to allow your 12th level character to fling 'allies' into the sun qualifies. |
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« Reply #255 on: October 29, 2008, 07:06:07 PM » |
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One thing I was wondering. Does anyone know if there is an item that provides infinite rope/chain?
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« Reply #256 on: October 29, 2008, 07:08:49 PM » |
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One thing I was wondering. Does anyone know if there is an item that provides infinite rope/chain?
Use-activated universal item of Psionic Minor Creation? Wouln't last for too long, though. Also, no idea what the DC on a hempen rope is. |
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« Reply #257 on: October 29, 2008, 07:39:24 PM » |
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I was actually pondering because I think it could be awesome.
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« Reply #258 on: October 29, 2008, 08:30:49 PM » |
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One thing I was wondering. Does anyone know if there is an item that provides infinite rope/chain?
Isn't there an item that gives you about 100ft of silk rope that you can cut up and it will grow back or something? |
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« Reply #259 on: October 29, 2008, 08:39:03 PM » |
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Yes, there is, though I totally forget where it's from.
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