Out of Character -- Technical Discussion

[DaveTheMagicWeasel]

Hmmm... manifesting a power is a mental action, and Shadow Pounce triggers anytime you're affected by a teleport ability.  RAW it works imo, I don't see it as much different to Benign Transposition, Greater Dim Door, etc being cast on me by someone else.

*shrugs* if not I've just got actions to buff myself with while I fight, or just to use to teleport away from my target even if it doesn't trigger a Shadow Pounce.

(Speaking of which, anyone capable of casting Benign Transposition might wanna think about adding it - if you're ever in a jam feel free to swap with me and I'll let loose a full attack against the offending monster).

[AlisAtAn]

Benign transposition it is.

Dave:
I threw in a Mage Armor for you at my divine side. CL18. Should get you through the day.

I notice of the 3 casters I`m the only one who keeps a spell list on the Wiki. Makes it hard to adjust to things we got covered... Oh well. We`ll get there.

Also I thought I`d add Warblade 1\Bloodclaw Master 5 into the free room in my build. Thoughts? I`d be picking up warblade next lvl, BM directly after...

Advice on my contingency spell would be appreciated.

Fil:Would I be allowed to add more enhancements to the Tiger Fang legacy weapon? (ToB 144)
Can I use quickdraw as a quicksheath as well?

[Omen of Peace]

@Fil:

Or if Fil doesn't mind cheese we can do use the self-resetting traps of Cure Minor Wounds (hey, you did say you wanted us to never hesitate because of HPs ! ). Something slightly more logical would be a cheap item which heals a few HPs when a turn attempt is channeled through it. Perhaps it could cost 1.2k ? i.e. CLW on command with a 33% discount ?

Is either of those ok ?

@Alis: I don't think you can add extra enchantments to legacies (ignore me if you know that and are asking for a houserule that overrides it). You can change the existing ones.
Elia could use a Mage Armor too - Dave and I can probably buy a Pearl of Power if you run out of slots. I'll wait and see where her AC is on the comparison chart.

[DaveTheMagicWeasel]

@ Alis

Since you're prepping a GMA for yourself, can I buy you a Pearl of Power III and get the second casting on Owain?

[AlisAtAn]

@ Alis

Since you're prepping a GMA for yourself, can I buy you a Pearl of Power III and get the second casting on Owain?

Yes.

[amalcon]

So far, Talman is going to buy the following (non-SRD) spells:
Silvered Claws (BoED), Lesser Vigor (SC), Align Fang (SC), Embrace the Wild (SC), Mass Lesser Vigor (SC), Touch of Adamantine (BoED), Bite of the Werebear (SC)
These ones were pretty obvious.  Any suggestions for others?  I don't need anything that primarily deals damage, of course (we seem to have that covered...), and the SRD spells are still available, so I don't need things that are redundant with that.

Also, for buying spells outside the SRD:  Am I right in thinking the price is just as though a Wizard were buying a spell of the same level?  I.E. spell level * 50gp.  I can't find the specifics again.

[fil kearney]

Something slightly more logical would be a cheap item which heals a few HPs when a turn attempt is channeled through it. Perhaps it could cost 1.2k ? i.e. CLW on command with a 33% discount ?

That's fine

@Alis: I don't think you can add extra enchantments to legacies (ignore me if you know that and are asking for a houserule that overrides it). You can change the existing ones.

You can rewrite the item as much/little as you ant, and I"m fine with you buying add-ons... I personally would buy the weapon enchantments and normal phb stuff, and use the legacy stuff to grab difficult-to-acquire boosts etc.


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You guys are getting REAL friendly with the spells and gear... I think that is great!!!

One stipulation... anyone who is sharing items, borrowing spell slots, or buying gear for one another better already be DAMN good friends in game.  there's no reason not to bve and that level of metagaming demands it.  So get all bundled up

[AlisAtAn]

I`m looking through Weapons of Legacy. This is way more fun than normal items. I think I`ll rewrite the dual kukri`s Devious and Vicious to better fit my style. Which means... Speed, lots of attacks and crits, sneak attack and iajutsu. Hmmm. Lets see what I can stuff into them.

I`m confused about all this "As the spell" stuff you can get on legacy weapons. At what CL would the spell be cast? My CL? Nevermind, I found it.

[Omen of Peace]

That's fine

Thanks ! I can take care of the out of combat healing for Owain and Maraxus too then (our two shapeshifters have Fast Healing). It will be pretty slow though (1d8+1 every 5 rounds - I think I'll go with the average and declare it cures 5 HPs every time) so  Cures/Heals are still useful for a drawn-out battle or several skirmishes in a row.

You can rewrite the item as much/little as you ant, and I"m fine with you buying add-ons... I personally would buy the weapon enchantments and normal phb stuff, and use the legacy stuff to grab difficult-to-acquire boosts etc.

Good to know. I'll go back to fiddling with that part.

One stipulation... anyone who is sharing items, borrowing spell slots, or buying gear for one another better already be DAMN good friends in game.  there's no reason not to bve and that level of metagaming demands it.  So get all bundled up

The Rod of Chaining could be among the items Elia salvaged from Mordain's trunks. She would have had a spellcaster explain to her what it did - and she would see no reason not to share it. Done !

[fil kearney]

Very nice, amalcon (fu to you) you and omen have managed to balance yourselves really well!

I'm gonna have to come up with all sortsa things to challenge you...

32' Cube of Meat
The Girlfriend You Cannot Attack
Sad-Eyed Puppy Dog
Horde of Children
The Tentacle Nightmare
Kill You Dead Man

...a full cast of should-not-be villains.
Don't even bother with the MM's... they don't work in this game. 

[Omen of Peace]

Well, I don't think Elia is a lesbian so she should be able to attack the girlfriend. The puppy would kill her, no doubt. Not sure about the others.

[fil kearney]

Girlfriend You Cannot Attack Most notably possesses*:
-Look of Scorn
-Tears of Vengeance
-Power Word: DM Sleeps on the Floor


*I have never actually HAD one of these kinda gals, but I have seen them at work on two separate occasions.  Nothing destroys a team faster.

[AlisAtAn]

Question for Fil:

From Iajutsu Focus description(OA 58):
Check: If you attack a flat-footed opponent immediately
after drawing a melee weapon, you can deal extra damage,
based on the result of an Iaijutsu Focus check.

Could I quickdraw my Kukri, and use its at will Scorching Ray ability to deliver a ranged Iajutsu attack? :review

How would you price an enhancement for Sherman`s saddle that made me immune to falling of? So I could sit in the saddle while he was spiderclimbing around in the ceiling? Actually, this could be solved by having someone craft an exotic saddle with a seat belt that kept me in place. Who needs expensive magic? 

 And one that allowed me to sit in the saddle while he burrowed? Or would that just slow him down, say half speed? (For burrowing a whole big enough for both of us)

[fil kearney]

although it's debatable, I will judge that iajitsu is melee weapon only.
sheathing is (part of) a move action
saddle for spiderclimb is a masterwork item.  easy enough
burrow at half speed to accomodate you.(errr... where did that come from...? :review)
For the record, if you want to burrow for OTHER people not on the saddle, you will need two burrowers... one in the front, one in the back, every non burrower between. 
non burrowers burrowing will be treated as swimming underwater as for how long non burrowers can stay in a closed tunnel like that without fresh air.   i don't know where that may be covered, but such a limitation will keep you from spending the entire campaign in your own subway.

 

[fil kearney]

Double post!


<mean dm rand>
I"m ready to go, but I dom't know what the hold up is.
I'm starting on Sunday.  IF you don't have your build finalized and on the comparing the builds wiki by Sunday, you are being left behind, I'll run talman and elia as a duet since they are both well balanced.
</mean dm rant>

get er done!

[AlisAtAn]

although it's debatable, I will judge that iajitsu is melee weapon only.
sheathing is (part of) a move action

Okay. So no sheathing and doing iajutsu to someone one more time then? Oh well. I can still draw one kukri, Iajutsu someone, draw the other, iajutsu them some more, right?

saddle for spiderclimb is a masterwork item.  easy enough
burrow at half speed to accomodate you.(errr... where did that come from...? :review)

Mineral warrior.  Half land speed as burrow speed.

For the record, if you want to burrow for OTHER people not on the saddle, you will need two burrowers... one in the front, one in the back, every non burrower between. 
non burrowers burrowing will be treated as swimming underwater as for how long non burrowers can stay in a closed tunnel like that without fresh air.   i don't know where that may be covered, but such a limitation will keep you from spending the entire campaign in your own subway.

*Adds permanent water breathing to my legacy item*  

And its covered in the SRD. So I can burrow 8 rounds before I need to breath.

Hmm. Good call. I hate it when things get stuck in planning too. I`m mostly nitpicking details on my char. Should be done by sunday. 

[Omen of Peace]

Okay. So no sheathing and doing iajutsu to someone one more time then? Oh well. I can still draw one kukri, Iajutsu someone, draw the other, iajutsu them some more, right?

Does Iaijutsu applies only to the 1st attack in the round where you draw the weapon or to all of them ? That's something I've never been sure of.

[Omen of Peace]

<double post>

[fil kearney]

Iajitsu is very ambiguous... the intention was to draw a katana for incredible extra damage, and then keep using the same weapon normally... but it did not Specifically limit to once per encounter etc.

TWF's can draw two weapons per round, and then take a move action to resheath them.   Resheathing does draw an AoO... so generally not a good idea if toe to toe.

This can be expanded upon and bent in epic if needed to remain competitive.

[AlisAtAn]

I`ll bug you about that again around lvl21 then. How would you price upping the crit multiplier of my kukri to x4? The Tiger Claw legacy item prices it as "level" I. As in lvls 18, 19, & 20 are spent upping the crit multiplier to x4. I find that kind of extreme, putting it on the same level as time stop 1\day, 3 quickened lvl6 spells, 1\day imprisonment...