Out of Character -- Technical Discussion

[fil kearney]

post technical questions about rules and stuff occurring in game here.

[Omen of Peace]

A question you missed from the other thread - a follow-up on the one about languages.

@fil: as an appendix to my previous question, are we using all the weird Eberron-specific languages (ECS p47) ? They come in part from the Eberron cosmology.

[fil kearney]

no.  there are plenty enough racial and planar languages for you to choke down.  regional languages are ditched, though each dragonmark house has it's own tongue.

[fil kearney]

Omen was awesome to provide this link for character creation....
here

do this on your wiki.

[amalcon]

Are the UA class variants available?  Specifically, this Druid one I just remembered about (basically, loses animal companion and spontaneous summoning, takes -4 on wild empathy, gains fast movement and rage)?  That would be exceptionally convenient.

I should have more chance to work on background this evening.

[Omen of Peace]

Omen was awesome to provide this link for character creation....
here

do this on your wiki.

Crap ! I didn't want to have to do it myself.  :weep


edit: fil, could you draw my flaws when you have time ? If I get something really bad I might need gear to compensate. Thanks !

[fil kearney]

Crap ! I didn't want to have to do it myself. 

lololololololololol

edit: fil, could you draw my flaws when you have time ? If I get something really bad I might need gear to compensate. Thanks !

Ouch. 
frail -1 hp per level
weak will -3 will save

man, random is mean.
aparently, Mordain's experiments leave one a bit broken. :/

Are the UA class variants available?

Of course, but you are still limited to 6th level spells or less.

On an inverted note, Beast Heart Adept just got terribly viable in this game.  Holy shit.

[Omen of Peace]

Actually that suits me pretty well. If Traits are allowed (are they ?) she'll have Quick too, so she'll be a bit fragile. But not too fragile since she has DR* and reasonably high saves.
And Weak Will means her Reflex save will completely dominate the others... that's ok.
FYI, her saves are Fort +20 / Ref +28 / Will +20 right now (with flaws). -4 to saves against fear. That's without a +resistance bonus btw - gotta love Divine Grace.
(edit: but she doesn't have Evasion yet so you'll still get her - don't worry.)

* about that: at level 14 Unseelie Fey gives DR 15 which I find too high, so she'll start with DR 10 instead. Hope the self-nerf is ok with you.


I just took a second look at Beast Heart Adept: funny. Monster Empathy would be a great fit for Elia but I don't really have the feat/level to spare.
You should definitely have us come across a BHA if noone plays one.

[fil kearney]

FYI, her saves are Fort +20 / Ref +28 / Will +20 right now (with flaws). -4 to saves against fear. That's without a +resistance bonus btw - gotta love Divine Grace.

This is one of those delicate areas where we're gonna have to look at the rest of the team... if you are significantly outperforming your companions, we may need to make some adjustments.
Of course, if you are all sporting +20 saves it's a non issue... just be ready to face 18th level spell casters and monsters with massive cha/con stats.

* about that: at level 14 Unseelie Fey gives DR 15 which I find too high, so she'll start with DR 10 instead. Hope the self-nerf is ok with you.

Let's wait and see how everyone shakes out before self nerfing... you may find the extra 5 DR to be rather useful compared to a full swiftblade (mittenninja played on briefly in chapter 3... they are incredibly effective PrC's, even without gestalt.)

You should definitely have us come across a BHA if noone plays one.

If we go with the initial premise I proposed regarding the herd of monsters escaping, you can count on it.

[Omen of Peace]

This is one of those delicate areas where we're gonna have to look at the rest of the team... if you are significantly outperforming your companions, we may need to make some adjustments.
Of course, if you are all sporting +20 saves it's a non issue... just be ready to face 18th level spell casters and monsters with massive cha/con stats.

Oh, I know. That's Character Creation rule #2 as I re-wrote it.

I suspect my saves will be higher in general thanks to Divine Grace and a non-standard race & templates (including ability score bonuses). I did use 4 levels for the race and 2 for DG - others will have gotten plenty of class abilities.
A very easy fix would be to let Elia share her Divine Grace without having to take the corresponding BoED feat. (I swear - there are tons of things that should be possible without taking feats... IMO anyway)

Let's wait and see how everyone shakes out before self nerfing... you may find the extra 5 DR to be rather useful compared to a full swiftblade (mittenninja played on briefly in chapter 3... they are incredibly effective PrC's, even without gestalt.)

Agreed. Swiftblade is among the most powerful PrCs of the game.
It was katans who was going to play one though.

[AlisAtAn]

I need my flaws rolled too. I guess everyone wants them...  Also, I`m currently making my char in a spreadsheet(Open Office Calc). Does the wiki allow me to integrate that directly into the chars wikipage? Would be handy. Regarding Katans dropping out, I know Mimimi (Ienimienime) might be interested. Was talking about a Fire Mage build of some sort.

[fil kearney]

It was katans who was going to play one though.

I need my flaws rolled too. I guess everyone wants them... 

 
Noncombatant: -2 melee attack
slow 1/2 move speed

holy crap.  that blows.

Also, I`m currently making my char in a spreadsheet(Open Office Calc). Does the wiki allow me to integrate that directly into the chars wikipage?

I think if you save it as a .xls you can import it/drop it in?  I'm no expert.

I know Mimimi (Ienimienime) might be interested. Was talking about a Fire Mage build of some sort.

He needs to hustle over to the open invitation thread and stake a claim... this may be fast enough that DavetheSneakyWeasel won't steal the spot yet....

[Omen of Peace]

Also, I`m currently making my char in a spreadsheet(Open Office Calc). Does the wiki allow me to integrate that directly into the chars wikipage? Would be handy.

I've done that too. I was thinking I'd just attach it to the page but I'll look into importing. If you export it as html and copy/paste in the source it could work but it sounds like too much of a hassle.

And ouch for your flaws. :/

[AlisAtAn]

No chance of rerolling those flaws? Especially the last one kinda makes my char too crippled to believe. If not I would like to drop the last one along with one feat. Maybe both. 

Also, I`m currently making my char in a spreadsheet(Open Office Calc). Does the wiki allow me to integrate that directly into the chars wikipage? Would be handy.

I've done that too. I was thinking I'd just attach it to the page but I'll look into importing. If you export it as html and copy/paste in the source it could work but it sounds like too much of a hassle.

Maybe google docs has an option for something like this. Havent looked to closely at it, really. Had some issues uploading files to it and havent tried it out since.

[fil kearney]

Especially the last one kinda makes my char too crippled to believe

Yeah.. not envying you on that slow feat.
You can either drop the flaw and corresponding additional feat, or I can roll TWO more flaws in substitue of slow.  (no takebacks, and I can STACK repeats)
flaws are nasty business.

[Omen of Peace]

Fil: are traits allowed ? If Alis takes Quick he'll be almost back to normal speed (just get the Boots of X in the SRD that give +10ft) in exchange for -lvl HPs. Or buy a mount. Or get a Wild Cohort.

As for noncombatant: it can be worked around - you'll just need more bonuses. I don't remember if you have levels in a ToB class but if you do, take a Discipline Weapon for +3 to attack (a +1 property). You'll just have to always use stances from that one discipline.

[fil kearney]

traits are allowed instead of a feat.
but if he's purchasing a trait instead of a feat, then there is no sense taking the flaw.  If he needs/really wants the feat, then the two flaws will be a decent work around.. I'm not gonna zing him with slow again if it comes up... but triple noncombatant would be :weep, though unlikely.

[Omen of Peace]

A trait instead of a feat ? That's... not a very fair exchange.

Actually, since you're supposed to balance PCs together Alis should just ignore it all and then you'll give him some items for free.

[amalcon]

I could probably use flaws as well.

I also just remembered that Daggerspell Mage doesn't stack for wildshape hit dice.  I guess the MoMF build it is then... It looks like the power level will be high enough for that anyway.  I'll see about rigging that one.

Hopefully I'll get to that background business soon; it is definitely a good idea.

[AlisAtAn]

Having a hard time figuring out what to do here. This random flaw business seems to have screwed my char up pretty good. If I remove the flaws I`ll be 2 feats behind. Thats a big powergap... I would have to remake my char to make the requirments in time, loosing most of my inspiration points in the process. If I keep them I`ll end up leaving the game the first time that he walks into a tavern. Or anything involving moving, for that matter. I find a -2 to melee kinda ruins a big part of the char too. I`ve got enough penalties there to try and work around as it is. (flurry, secondary attacks, etc etc. I figured I`d go for multiattack eventually, but now I`m short 2 feats.)

How about I roll 4 new flaws, and if I still end up as a cripple in a game of godlike chars, someone else can have my playerspot?





Yeah. I`ll do that. fil, do your thing.

amalcon: 2 shapers in one game? hmmm.