Monster Game - Interest?

[Littha]

I shall have to bow out then

Reasoning: ( spoilered because not many people like reading a rant that isnt constructive to the thread)

As much as I respect the effort that went into it (though Bloody Initiate's not yours) I find that if I was going to use 3 levels on something that didn't progress any class features I would rather like the ability scores to reflect that.The whole problem with playing as monsters in general is that they don't give you enough to compensate for the level loss and this is still evident in the maug there, some mediocre stat bonuses and a nice suite of immunities does not make up for the loss of 3 levels.
That maug only has a couple of advantages over a warforged (+5 Str, +3 Dex and Large Size) vs a warforged still having a Con Score. The other thing being of course that you can buy off all the LA from a maug in 15 levels or so at which point it is better than and provides less of a detriment to your class abilities than your one.

[PhaedrusXY]

Would you allow this PrC that I wrote that basically grants a "mundane" type of character an NPC cohort in the form of a magic item (which can be a spellcaster, and can conceivably share spells with him)? It could be fun to RP a "monster" that winds up with some ancient relic, learns to bond with it, and uses it to conquer a nation, or something...

I'd probably use a giant or something simple for the "monster", probably going into a martial adept class, or something homebrewed. Hmm... a firbolg with a weapon that is a druid could be fun... I don't know how that would fit in with the rest of the party, though. Maybe an ogre would be a better choice...

[PipTheBlue]

My first attempt: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=332367.
I'm not sure about the effects of the size increase. SRD says it increases Str by 8, Con and NA by 2 and decreases Dex by 2 and AC and Attack by 1. Furthermore, it increases my claws' damage dice to 1d4. Is this correct?

[edit]Note to self: read the fucking manual! Thanks for pointing it out, dna. The stat increases from size increase have been removed.[/edit]

[dna1]

My first attempt: http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=332367.
I'm not sure about the effects of the size increase. SRD says it increases Str by 8, Con and NA by 2 and decreases Dex by 2 and AC and Attack by 1. Furthermore, it increases my claws' damage dice to 1d4. Is this correct?

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=9557.0  as phaedrus pointed out to me, as per Oslecamos house rules we dont gain stat mods by growing in size. our nat weapons still do increase in dmg though

[oslecamo]

Littha:I respect your decision, but I'll like to offer a counter-rebuttal nonthless.

Yes I'm perfectly aware the Maug monster class doesn't offer the big stat  enanchments and the LA can be bought-off.

However, the key advantage in the Maug monster class ( in the creation of which I helped), are the improved grafts. Perhaps you didn't notice them, but the Maug class grafts in that same post are an improvement over the FF Maug grafts, that keep scaling with HD. They can offer you a lot of abilities that go beyond just high Str score and the "vannilla" Maug grafts.

Would you allow this PrC that I wrote that basically grants a "mundane" type of character an NPC cohort in the form of a magic item (which can be a spellcaster, and can conceivably share spells with him)? It could be fun to RP a "monster" that winds up with some ancient relic, learns to bond with it, and uses it to conquer a nation, or something...

I'd probably use a giant or something simple for the "monster", probably going into a martial adept class, or something homebrewed. Hmm... a firbolg with a weapon that is a druid could be fun... I don't know how that would fit in with the rest of the party, though. Maybe an ogre would be a better choice...

Allowed. Prime32 rules for character items always intrigued me and I would like to see how they play out.

[PhaedrusXY]

Allowed. Prime32 rules for character items always intrigued me and I would like to see how they play out.

Sweet. Here is what I have in mind so far:

Grimtooth
Flind 2/ Vampire 2/Barbarian (Lion totem, Whirling Frenzy) 1/Bearer of Legend 2/Warblade 1

Backstory:

Grimtooth was a pretty ordinary flind. He led his pack of gnolls on hunts (i.e. ambushed innocent humanoid caravans), reveled in combat, but was somewhat cowardly when facing superior enemies. He was also kind of lazy. This all changed when he was killed, along with the rest of his hunting party, when they unwittingly ambushed the coach of a powerful vampire. The rest of his packmates were simply slain, but seeing potential in him, the vampire decided to bring him back as one of its minions. Renamed Grimtooth by his new master, he now has a new purpose in unlife, and has been given a powerful weapon to aid him in the missions he is assigned.

Feats: Lifesense

LIFESENSE [MONSTROUS]
You see the light that all living creatures emit.
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Con — (no Constitution score).
Benefi ts: In addition to any normal light that might be
present, your surroundings are illuminated by roving points
of brightness created by living creatures. To your eyes, a Medium
or smaller creature gives off life force suffi cient to provide bright
illumination in a 60-foot radius, revealing itself and all featuresand objects in range to your life-adapted sight. This life-light
behaves like regular light—you can’t see into solid objects, or
past solid walls.
A Large creature gives off life-light in a 120-foot radius, and
the radius doubles again for each additional size category larger
than Medium, up to a maximum radius of 960 feet for a Colossal
creature.

Bonded Weapon: Nightbringer
Description: Nightbringer started out as a human cleric with unfailing devotion to (is there a vampire god?). As the ultimate expression of his undying devotion, he transferred his essence into a weapon to be wielded by (the vampire god's) ultimate champion. His special purpose is to bring about an eternal darkness, so that the followers of his master may enslave all of the material plane, without being bothered by the hated sun. Nightbringer has a special hatred of clerics and servants of Pelor and any other deities of light and/or the sun, and will try to compel his wielder to attack them on sight, and in preference of all other enemies.

Nightbringer is a 6 level CE human cleric with the Darkness and Hunger domains.

Items:
Liquid Night:

This dark, sticky fl uid provides a daylightsensitive
undead creature with temporary protection from
the sun’s deadly rays. It allows the creature to ignore any
vulnerability to sunlight for a full hour. If subjected to a spell
or magical effect that would cause extra damage to an undead
creature that is vulnerable to sunlight, the creature is treated
as not having that vulnerability (however, this also burns away
the liquid night, ending the protection against either mundane
or magical sunlight). Liquid night has a distinct musky odor of
moonfl ower (one of its ingredients).
Spreading liquid night over a creature’s body requires a fullround
action. A single fl ask of the substance is suffi cient for
a single creature of Medium size or smaller. A Large creature
requires two fl asks, a Huge creature four fl asks, a Gargantuan
creature eight fl asks, and a Colossal creature sixteen fl asks.

Tactics and Synergy:

Use Vampire Might to get a +8 untyped bonus to Str, which he uses to set the DCs of many of his vampire abilities. He also can use the flind's Brutality ability to add his strength bonus to Saves, Skills, or other things. He gets a +3 racial bonus to Str from flind, which helps with this. So he will be quite a "SAD" character.

His weapon will cast Deeper Darkness on him, so he can operate in daylight. He will wear a Ring of Counterspells to protect him from Dispel Magic. He will also get a pair of Spellguard Rings, one of which he will wear and the other which will be fitted around the pommel of his weapon. This will allow the sword to exclude him from the effects of spells it casts when desired.

[Littha]

Littha:I respect your decision, but I'll like to offer a counter-rebuttal nonthless.

Yes I'm perfectly aware the Maug monster class doesn't offer the big stat  enanchments and the LA can be bought-off.

However, the key advantage in the Maug monster class ( in the creation of which I helped), are the improved grafts. Perhaps you didn't notice them, but the Maug class grafts in that same post are an improvement over the FF Maug grafts, that keep scaling with HD. They can offer you a lot of abilities that go beyond just high Str score and the "vannilla" Maug grafts.

I am aware however I like the maug more for the giant stone mercenary aspect than the grafts... The only graft in the original set i ever contemplated taking was the stone shooter and that was more because it was a cool idea than it was any good.

Anywho, ill stop derailing your thread here.

[Gnomeo]

I know there's a lot of interest here (5 pages in a couple days), I liked my idea and wanted to share.  It would require approval of a Mindstealer Drone and the psionic adaptation to Mindbender.

Tenth
Mindstealer Drone 3 / Ardent 3 / Mindbender (Psionic adaptation) 1 / Shadowmind 1

Social skills, telepathy, read thoughts, & limited shapeshifting.  Ability to infiltrate by draining minions and replacing them.

Feats: Ability Focus: Psychic Drain, Practiced Manifester: Ardent, Mindsight

Tenth was the least favored among the Master's drones.  Master sent First and Second on the most important missions.  Tenth usually got peasant duty on the outskirts of the Master's territory.  One day, the Master was attacked and called all his drones to defend him.  Tenth, being the last to arrive, attacked a low-level hireling at the rear of the aggressors' party who turned out to be a Telepath.  Tenth disabled the minion, and dragged it away to drain its memories for the Master.  After draining the minion, however, something odd happened.  The minion started talking to him from inside its own memories.  More importantly, the Master lost the fight with the aggressors.  While the other drones could not survive without a Master, Tenth did.  Tenth learned from the minion how to widen his mental powers and now uses them to become his own Master.  In return, the minion gets to continue its limited existence.

[oslecamo]

Nightbringer is a 6 level CE human cleric with the Darkness and Hunger domains.

Tactics and Synergy:

Use Vampire Might to get a +8 untyped bonus to Str, which he uses to set the DCs of many of his vampire abilities. He also can use the flind's Brutality ability to add his strength bonus to Saves, Skills, or other things. He gets a +3 racial bonus to Str from flind, which helps with this. So he will be quite a "SAD" character.

His weapon will cast Deeper Darkness on him, so he can operate in daylight. He will wear a Ring of Counterspells to protect him from Dispel Magic. He will also get a pair of Spellguard Rings, one of which he will wear and the other which will be fitted around the pommel of his weapon. This will allow the sword to exclude him from the effects of spells it casts when desired.

Once the magic item template is applied, it's no longer a creature but an item, and thus doesn't have any equip slots. That's why it gets the "free" enanchment to stats.

Also disclaimer, the vampire vulnerabilities aren't there just for looks. Not saying that there'll be garlic everywhere, but if you let get out that you're a vampire, your enemies will adjust acordingly (walking inside a deeper darkness will certainly reveal you don't like light very much).  Plus stuff like needing to ask permission to enter private buildings. Sunlight won't be the only thing possibly limiting your options.

Gnomeo: Drone, ardent and psionic mindbender would be ok. Shadowmind, as the mind's eye fullmanifester class of easy entry that grants extra goodies every level? Not allowed.

[PhaedrusXY]

Nightbringer is a 6 level CE human cleric with the Darkness and Hunger domains.

Tactics and Synergy:

Use Vampire Might to get a +8 untyped bonus to Str, which he uses to set the DCs of many of his vampire abilities. He also can use the flind's Brutality ability to add his strength bonus to Saves, Skills, or other things. He gets a +3 racial bonus to Str from flind, which helps with this. So he will be quite a "SAD" character.

His weapon will cast Deeper Darkness on him, so he can operate in daylight. He will wear a Ring of Counterspells to protect him from Dispel Magic. He will also get a pair of Spellguard Rings, one of which he will wear and the other which will be fitted around the pommel of his weapon. This will allow the sword to exclude him from the effects of spells it casts when desired.

Once the magic item template is applied, it's no longer a creature but an item, and thus doesn't have any equip slots. That's why it gets the "free" enanchment to stats.

OK, then what about having the ability of the Spellguard Rings added to the weapon itself, as part of its properties via the Ancestral Relic ability? Do you allow custom/combined magic items?

Also disclaimer, the vampire vulnerabilities aren't there just for looks. Not saying that there'll be garlic everywhere, but if you let get out that you're a vampire, your enemies will adjust acordingly (walking inside a deeper darkness will certainly reveal you don't like light very much).  Plus stuff like needing to ask permission to enter private buildings. Sunlight won't be the only thing possibly limiting your options.

I full expect that, but sunlight is rather a critical one... It's not like its just an inconvenience like not being able to enter a building. It's full on death if you even go above ground for half the day. So having a way to at least tolerate that is pretty important, which is why I specifically mentioned it.

And a question:

Each day, the Vampire loses a number of Blood Charges equal to his HD. If he rested 8 hours in his resting place, he only loses half that number, rounded up. If the vampire doesn't have enough blood charges to satisfy it's needs by morning, he takes a penalty to all d20 rolls equal to the number of missing blood charges, up to a penalty equal to twice his own HD. The penalty lasts until the Vampire gets a number of Blood Charges equal to his HD or more and spends 8 hours on his resting place.

What is "enough"? So that his daily cost doesn't take him below 0? So he better have at least his hit dice in blood charges when he settles down for the "night" (or half that much if he has a resting place)?

And to overcome this hunger, he must gain his hit dice in blood charges and rest for 8 hours in his resting place? What if he can't get to his resting place? He has a permanent penalty?

[VennDygrem]

Also disclaimer, the vampire vulnerabilities aren't there just for looks. Not saying that there'll be garlic everywhere, but if you let get out that you're a vampire, your enemies will adjust acordingly (walking inside a deeper darkness will certainly reveal you don't like light very much).  Plus stuff like needing to ask permission to enter private buildings. Sunlight won't be the only thing possibly limiting your options.

I don't suppose many people will be inviting a flind gnoll or tarrasque into their homes anyway.

[PhaedrusXY]

Also disclaimer, the vampire vulnerabilities aren't there just for looks. Not saying that there'll be garlic everywhere, but if you let get out that you're a vampire, your enemies will adjust acordingly (walking inside a deeper darkness will certainly reveal you don't like light very much).  Plus stuff like needing to ask permission to enter private buildings. Sunlight won't be the only thing possibly limiting your options.

I don't suppose many people will be inviting a flind gnoll or tarrasque into their homes anyway.

True, but the tarrasque won't care. He'll just blow their house down like the big bad wolf.   

The tarrasque should definitely take "deceivingly innocent form" or whatever it is, though...
"Aww look at the cute little girl..."
"Surprise! I'm really the tarrasque!"

[Gnomeo]

Gnomeo: Drone, ardent and psionic mindbender would be ok. Shadowmind, as the mind's eye fullmanifester class of easy entry that grants extra goodies every level? Not allowed.

I was referring to the Shadowmind prestige class in Complete Adventurer; which provides Read Thoughts and a manifester level at level 1.

[oslecamo]

Nightbringer is a 6 level CE human cleric with the Darkness and Hunger domains.

Tactics and Synergy:

Use Vampire Might to get a +8 untyped bonus to Str, which he uses to set the DCs of many of his vampire abilities. He also can use the flind's Brutality ability to add his strength bonus to Saves, Skills, or other things. He gets a +3 racial bonus to Str from flind, which helps with this. So he will be quite a "SAD" character.

His weapon will cast Deeper Darkness on him, so he can operate in daylight. He will wear a Ring of Counterspells to protect him from Dispel Magic. He will also get a pair of Spellguard Rings, one of which he will wear and the other which will be fitted around the pommel of his weapon. This will allow the sword to exclude him from the effects of spells it casts when desired.

Once the magic item template is applied, it's no longer a creature but an item, and thus doesn't have any equip slots. That's why it gets the "free" enanchment to stats.

OK, then what about having the ability of the Spellguard Rings added to the weapon itself, as part of its properties via the Ancestral Relic ability? Do you allow custom/combined magic items?

Only on a case-by-case basis. How does a +1 enanchment of your weapon and a 1000 GP ring on your vampire gnoll's hand sounds?

Also disclaimer, the vampire vulnerabilities aren't there just for looks. Not saying that there'll be garlic everywhere, but if you let get out that you're a vampire, your enemies will adjust acordingly (walking inside a deeper darkness will certainly reveal you don't like light very much).  Plus stuff like needing to ask permission to enter private buildings. Sunlight won't be the only thing possibly limiting your options.

I full expect that, but sunlight is rather a critical one... It's not like its just an inconvenience like not being able to enter a building. It's full on death if you even go above ground for half the day. So having a way to at least tolerate that is pretty important, which is why I specifically mentioned it.

Well, there's also good old geting out only in the night.

And a question:

Each day, the Vampire loses a number of Blood Charges equal to his HD. If he rested 8 hours in his resting place, he only loses half that number, rounded up. If the vampire doesn't have enough blood charges to satisfy it's needs by morning, he takes a penalty to all d20 rolls equal to the number of missing blood charges, up to a penalty equal to twice his own HD. The penalty lasts until the Vampire gets a number of Blood Charges equal to his HD or more and spends 8 hours on his resting place.

What is "enough"? So that his daily cost doesn't take him below 0? So he better have at least his hit dice in blood charges when he settles down for the "night" (or half that much if he has a resting place)?

And to overcome this hunger, he must gain his hit dice in blood charges and rest for 8 hours in his resting place? What if he can't get to his resting place? He has a permanent penalty?

Exactly, you need to keep your number of Blood Charges positive or at least zero. In case you drop into negatives you need both to feed and rest in your special place. Notice however you're not limited to just one coffin or similar. It is advised to carry a bag of dirt from your birthplace to improvise a resting place in case of desesperation. And yes the penalty is permanent.

Gnomeo:That one is allowed. Notice however the prc dips will delay your acquisition of new mantles.

[Gnomeo]

Gnomeo:That one is allowed. Notice however the prc dips will delay your acquisition of new mantles.

The prestige class dips are for Telepathy/Mindsight and Read Thoughts, respectively.  I was planning to continue Ardent from there.

[Krika]

And here is Wispy Ghostlight the Third, Senior.

Still need to do items and feats, but that should be done by the end of the day (hopefully). And then write up the background.

Any notable issues that anyone can see? And for Osclecamo, how does the "If it multiclasses to an arcane/divine class it can count it's Will-O'-Wisp levels as levels of that class for purposes of CL and for the purposes of learning new spells and getting new spell slots." line interact with Warlock and Invocations?

[oslecamo]

And here is Wispy Ghostlight the Third, Senior.

Still need to do items and feats, but that should be done by the end of the day (hopefully). And then write up the background.

Any notable issues that anyone can see? And for Osclecamo, how does the "If it multiclasses to an arcane/divine class it can count it's Will-O'-Wisp levels as levels of that class for purposes of CL and for the purposes of learning new spells and getting new spell slots." line interact with Warlock and Invocations?

At first glance you have greater greater invisibility.

As for warlock synergy, well, you could pick a least or lesser Invocation and use it at CL 8, but only have one known, as a 7th level warlock doesn't learn any extra invocation.

However if you picked your first warlock level after the 5th will-o-wisp, then the last will-o-wisp level, then the 2nd warlock level (wow 5/war1/wow+1/war+1), you could have two least (or lesser) invocations known, because the warlock usually learns new invocations at 6th and 8th level.

Yes pseudo-spellcaster from my monster classes rewards juggling levels a bit (I don't particularly like that part, but it was the only way I could find to prevent too much abuse)

[Krika]

Thanks for the clarification.

[dna1]

Oslecamo I have a quick question about the big T burrowing. Does it leave a big tunnel behind me? All my abilities are Ex so Im hoping no giant tunnel.. but what evers good  

[oslecamo]

Oslecamo I have a quick question about the big T burrowing. Does it leave a big tunnel behind me? All my abilities are Ex so Im hoping no giant tunnel.. but what evers good 

Unless otherwise noted, no burrowing creatures leave behind useable tunnels. They'll still leave clearly moved sand/rubble.