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Caiphon
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« on: July 30, 2011, 06:03:57 PM »

Well... Here's the thing:
Our cleric rebuked a lich... Yeah... Confused
And he wants his standard action back, so he's looking for a way to turn a rebuked creature into a cohort, or a minion, or a follower, but he doesnt know how.
So, I cast
          summon help IV!!!!
no really, any help would be great, thanks!!!
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2011, 06:43:31 AM »

What do you mean by wants his standard action back, exactly?  What's the problem here?
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2011, 10:29:58 AM »

You stripped a cleric of it's standard action? I think you just balanced him out.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2011, 12:30:29 PM »

You stripped a cleric of it's standard action? I think you just balanced him out.

I lol'd at this part

What do you mean by wants his standard action back, exactly?  What's the problem here?

Wow, Im not the Dm, Im not an expert in rebuking neither, but I think that controlling a rebuked creature takes a standard action, so he wants to act without spending his action to command the lich, so what he's looking for is for some mechanic that allows to turn a rebuked creature into a cohort or something like that.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2011, 07:35:44 PM »

Oh, no, he's got it partially wrong.  "The cleric must take a standard action to give mental orders to a commanded undead" is true, but there's no clause that he has to keep commanding it constantly.  Typically the rebuker will give standing orders that last indefinitely, and only change them when they become inappropriate to the situation.  "Attack every living creature which isn't me while remaining within 60 feet of me" for an example that should probably work with skeletons.  For an undead that isn't mindless, you could give him a much more complicated, or more vague, standing order.  "Travel with me, protect me from harm, and assist in all my endeavors, to the best of your abilities according to your own judgment."

One standard action, then go about your business while they go about the business you've set them to do until further notice.  With something smart and powerful like a lich, you probably don't want to be too much of a dick with your orders though, because if it escapes it's intelligent enough to remember and plot revenge, and resourceful enough that it might be able to carry it out effectively.
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 12:40:09 AM »

Oh, no, he's got it partially wrong.  "The cleric must take a standard action to give mental orders to a commanded undead" is true, but there's no clause that he has to keep commanding it constantly.  Typically the rebuker will give standing orders that last indefinitely, and only change them when they become inappropriate to the situation.  "Attack every living creature which isn't me while remaining within 60 feet of me" for an example that should probably work with skeletons.  For an undead that isn't mindless, you could give him a much more complicated, or more vague, standing order.  "Travel with me, protect me from harm, and assist in all my endeavors, to the best of your abilities according to your own judgment."

One standard action, then go about your business while they go about the business you've set them to do until further notice.  With something smart and powerful like a lich, you probably don't want to be too much of a dick with your orders though, because if it escapes it's intelligent enough to remember and plot revenge, and resourceful enough that it might be able to carry it out effectively.

Oh thanks! That was exactly what I was looking for!
And yeah, he won the lich pretty oddly.
    Cleric: "so....umm....can I attempt to rebuke it?"
    Dm (evil smile): "well... You can try"
    Cleric *rolls dice*
    Dm : "WHAT THE F***?!?!?"
    We: Woa!
And as our Dm is pretty prideful, he let him keep it
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