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« on: July 28, 2011, 05:30:08 AM »

Someone is asking me for a nice, strong Cleric build for his game, so here's what I'm going to suggest to him.  Party is a Duskblade, Homebrewed Soulknife, Wizard/Earth Elemental Savant (well, at least he picked Earth...), Kineticist Psion, and a Rogue, so I'm thinking a heavy support Cleric is in order.

Race is a homebrew race, defining features are -2 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Wis, and +1 LA that's been bought off already.  Level is 7.  As of now, he's going straight Cloistered Cleric, but there are plenty of PrC options that I can suggest to him later.  I'll definitely suggest 5 levels of Church Inquisitor for the nifty immunities and 2 levels of Contemplative for Slippery Mind.  The other 10 can be whatever PrC he wants to go into.

Abilities, 36 PB: 6/12/14/10/20/16 (after adjustments, before items)

Feats (w/ 2 flaws): Extend Spell (Planning Domain), Persistent Spell, DMM: Persistent, Extra Turning x2, Divine Spell Power

Domains: Planning, Water (I know, it's kinda bad, but it's thematic and the extra pool counts towards DMM, so whatever), Knowledge

Items: Circlet of Persuasion, Cloak of Charisma +2, Periapt of Wisdom +2, Lesser Rod of Extend Spell, Silver Badge of Larethian, Wand of Ray of Resurgence, Anklet of Translocation, 1k for random knickknacks (I forsee a Masterwork Crossbow in this guy's future)

Buff Routine: Consecrate (CL 7), Persistent Lesser Holy Transformation (CL 11), Persistent Mass Lesser Vigor (CL 11), Persistent Recitation (CL 11), Extended Magic Circle Against Evil (CL 12), Extended Mass Recitation (CL 12), Extended Healing Lorecall (CL 12)

Other Spells: Divination (Domain slot), Water Breathing (Domain slot, potentially necessary for campaign), Fog Cloud, Spiritual Weapon, Close Wounds x2, Obscuring Mist, Bless x3, Resurgence x3

I'm posting this here for two reasons.  One, for affirmation that I'm doing it right, and two because the forum on which I was making a reply to him decided to eat my long, elegant post detailing why each of these was a good thing.
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 08:07:39 AM »

Looks good from here, any restrictions, what sources you can use for this?

How does your friend feel about summoning?
Yes, I mean something like Thaumathurgist 2/ Malconvoker at least 5/ finish however he likes.
- Can already cast lesser planar ally
- Thaumathurgist does need Spellfocus: Conjuration, but gives Augment Summoning at lvl 2
- Church Inquisitor 1-2 should take care of the skill requirements for Malconvoker

Thematically Water Devotion would fit, if you have Turning left to use it more than once/ day.
Don't exchange the domain, just take it with a regular feat if you want it.

Edit:
If you want to invest into a quickloading Crossbow, with Knowledge Devotion & Zen Archery the ranged damage output should at least equal the Soulknife(that is, if the Homebrew part didnt make him better at throwing his mindblade).
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 08:19:55 AM »

Looks great, as always Prestige Paladin is my suggestion, especially if you can go sword of the arcane order with it  (which would lose you two levels of cleric casting, but net you all wizard spells).

Also bone knight is great for the immunities, that pair off nicely with the immunities from church inquisitor.

Remember that you don't have to switch out your knowledge domain for knowledge devotion, but can use Inquisition domain for that when you get it (and you would rather like all knowledge skills than +2 to dispel attempts).

If you can somehow get access to the transformation domain, you can add Alter Self as a persistent spell. Or even better, Polymorph with Reach Spell + Chain Spell, get rods of those as needed.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 09:39:39 AM »

Looks good from here, any restrictions, what sources you can use for this?

How does your friend feel about summoning?
Yes, I mean something like Thaumathurgist 2/ Malconvoker at least 5/ finish however he likes.
- Can already cast lesser planar ally
- Thaumathurgist does need Spellfocus: Conjuration, but gives Augment Summoning at lvl 2
- Church Inquisitor 1-2 should take care of the skill requirements for Malconvoker

Thematically Water Devotion would fit, if you have Turning left to use it more than once/ day.
Don't exchange the domain, just take it with a regular feat if you want it.

Edit:
If you want to invest into a quickloading Crossbow, with Knowledge Devotion & Zen Archery the ranged damage output should at least equal the Soulknife(that is, if the Homebrew part didnt make him better at throwing his mindblade).
I'm not sure how he feels about it.  I don't think I'd recommend Thaumaturgist, anyway.  I never really liked the class.  At this point I'm pretty much satisfied with him picking whatever PrC he wants.  If I were playing it, I would probably take the Plant domain at level 1 instead of Water, and then pick up Water with the Contemplative level.  That opens up the full 10 levels of Holt Warden as a potential option, which is a class I personally rather like.  If my friend can somehow swing an Animal Companion (how he'd do it I have no idea), then the Wavekeeper PrC opens up and gives some really useful options if this campaign is going to be featuring a lot of underwater action.

Also, I agree.  Between Cloistered Cleric and Church Inquisitor for at least 5 total levels, there should be more than enough skill points around to max out Heal (at least up until this point, for Healing Lorecall) and Knowledge [Religion] and still have plenty left over to invest in various Knowledges for that Devotion and to satisfy whatever pre-reqs he needs for other PrCs.

Remember that you don't have to switch out your knowledge domain for knowledge devotion, but can use Inquisition domain for that when you get it (and you would rather like all knowledge skills than +2 to dispel attempts).
It's actually +4, but I think switching it out for Knowledge Devotion would still be a substantially better idea.  My friend initially had it on his sheet, anyway, but my suggestion is switching that out for Divine Spell Power (everything else was his idea).  What's more, without Divine Magician to get the really nice Dispels or many consistent CL shenanigans to max out their bonuses, that +4 bonus isn't *that* awesome.

Another note, with Knowledge Devotion on the table again, if Healing Lorecall isn't doing it for my friend, I'll suggest Lore of the Gods to him instead, especially if the DM gives him the +10 bonus.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 02:26:31 PM »

Wild Cohort doesn't count as Animal Companion, I guess?
If the DM is OK with it, go Prestige Ranger, if not there always is Beastmaster.
Either way, you loose at least 1 level spellprogression and I don't know how you could swing the feats needed for PrC Ranger, without at least 1 level of Fighter.
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