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« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2011, 01:41:36 AM » |
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Using two spells (Embrace/Shun the Dark Chaos) in Fiendish Codex I, you replace those free feats with others.
There are 9 elder evils in the book, which gives you 45 free feats at level 20!
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Shiki
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« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2011, 01:48:33 AM » |
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Abuse racial granted feats, crappy feats granted by magical locations, the already mentioned feats for worshipping elder evils, familiar's alertness, whatever.
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amazingtrapsmith
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« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2011, 02:05:41 AM » |
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Using two spells (Embrace/Shun the Dark Chaos) in Fiendish Codex I, you replace those free feats with others.
There are 9 elder evils in the book, which gives you 45 free feats at level 20!
My DM mentioned these before (by description, not name, and didn't say they were spells) and I've been looking for these ever since. Thanks guys! |
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amazingtrapsmith
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« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2011, 02:48:48 AM » |
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Yeah, I checked the book and figured it out. Who in their right mind thought these two spells were a good idea to publish? |
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zook1shoe
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« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2011, 03:03:41 AM » |
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There are quite a few spells like that. Just look at the BoVD  |
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« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2011, 03:23:40 AM » |
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Q53 Looking at the race handbook, how do you make a grey fire elf using the rules? Aren't they just two different subraces? Or frostblood desert orc?
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2011, 03:31:03 AM » |
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Q53 Looking at the race handbook, how do you make a grey fire elf using the rules? Aren't they just two different subraces? Or frostblood desert orc?
Short answer: you can't. |
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Sinfire Titan
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« Reply #148 on: July 11, 2011, 10:49:48 AM » |
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So is there any reason you can't select a feat again if you don't have it because you've used the dark chaos feat shuffle to replace it with something useful?
Not that I'm aware of. Stupid RAW and its bs. |
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #149 on: July 11, 2011, 12:56:18 PM » |
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So is there any reason you can't select a feat again if you don't have it because you've used the dark chaos feat shuffle to replace it with something useful?
Not that I'm aware of. Stupid RAW and its bs. Of course, now you'll have all the elder evils angry at you, so... yeah. |
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« Reply #150 on: July 11, 2011, 01:06:06 PM » |
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Of course, now you'll have all the elder evils angry at you, so... yeah.
The world is doomed anyway, who cares if they get even more angry? |
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« Reply #151 on: July 11, 2011, 01:06:57 PM » |
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Of course, now you'll have all the elder evils angry at you, so... yeah. The world is doomed anyway, who cares if they get even more angry? You might if you want to keep your character, and not have to roll up a new one. |
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I reject your reality, and substitute my own. When God gives you lemons... it's time to find a new God. Like D&D Freakouts? Check out this 4th Ed one. |
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Faithless tbe Wonder Boy
Barbary Macaque at the Rock of Gibraltar
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« Reply #152 on: July 11, 2011, 03:29:17 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
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« Reply #153 on: July 11, 2011, 03:36:54 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
What are the anthropomorphic animals? Weren't some of those LA 0? |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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« Reply #154 on: July 11, 2011, 03:44:30 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
What are the anthropomorphic animals? Weren't some of those LA 0? Antrho bat is probably the best known LA+0 with no racial HD of those. |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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« Reply #155 on: July 11, 2011, 03:51:23 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
What are the anthropomorphic animals? Weren't some of those LA 0? Antrho bat is probably the best known LA+0 with no racial HD of those. Yeah, but what type of creatures were they? Monstrous humanoid? Or humanoid? |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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« Reply #156 on: July 11, 2011, 03:56:21 PM » |
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Anthro-animals are Monsterous Humanoids.
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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« Reply #157 on: July 11, 2011, 03:56:40 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
Otherworldly feat is easiest. |
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Maat_Mons
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« Reply #158 on: July 11, 2011, 04:40:53 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
Here's a list I put together a while back. It's probably missing some stuff Ways to Play a Non-Humanoid for +0 ECL
+0 ECL Non-Humanoid Base Races
Aberration: Daelkyr halfbood (Magic of Eberron 37), elan (Expanded Psionics Handbook 9), synad (Complete Psionic 139)
Animal: ?
Construct: Warforged (Eberron Campaign Setting 20), warforged scout (Monster Manual III 193)
Dragon: ?
Elemental: ?
Fey: Duskling (Magic of Incarnum 10), faun (Deities and Demigods 133), jermlain (Monster Manual II 131), killoren (Races of the Wild 102)
Giant: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: Anthropomorphic [bat, lizard, monkey, rat, raven, toad, weasel] (Savage Species 214), lupin (Dragon Compendium 18), muckdweller (Serpent Kingdoms 71), tibbit (Dragon Compendium 21)
Ooze: ?
Outsider: Neraph (Planar Handbook 12)
Plant: ?
Undead: ?
Vermin: Hairy spider (Monsters of Faerun 79, see 3.5 update booklet)
+0 ECL Templates That Change Type
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: ?
Dragon: ?
Elemental: ?
Fey: Unseelie fey (living; Dragon Compendium 222)
Giant: ?
Humanoid: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: ?
Outsider: ?
Plant: ?
Undead: Necropolitan (humanoid, monstrous humanoid; Libris Mortis 114)
Vermin: ?
Feats That Change Type
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: ?
Dragon: Dragonwrought (kobold; Races of the Dragon 100)
Elemental: ?
Fey: ?
Giant: ?
Humanoid: Human heritage (human-descended; Races of Destiny 152)
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: ?
Outsider: Otherworldly (deep imaskari, elf, spirit folk; Player's Guide to Faerun 41)
Plant: ?
Undead: ?
Vermin: ?
Non-Humanoid Racial Classes You Don't Have to Take Levels In
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: ?
Dragon: ?
Elemental: ?
Fey: Feytouched (Savage Progressions)
Giant: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: ?
Outsider: Aasimar (Savage Progressions), tiefling (Savage Progressions)
Plant: ?
Undead: ?
Vermin: ?
Classes That Change Type
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: Green star adept (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 41), renegade mastermaker (level 10, ECL 15, Magic of Eberron 81)
Dragon: Dragon disciple (level 10, ECL 15, Dungeon Master's Guide 183)
Elemental: Elemental archon (level 10, ECL 15, Faiths and Pantheons 190), elemental savant (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 32)
Fey: Heartwarder (level 10, ECL 15, Faitha and Pantheons 196), spirit shaman (level 20, ECL 20, Complete Divine 14), swanmay (level 10, ECL 15, Book of Exalted Deeds 76), wildrunner (level 9, ECL 14, Races of the Wild 139)
Giant: ?
Humanoid: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: Oozemaster (level 10, ECL 15, Masters of the Wild 67)
Outsider: Acolyte of the skin (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 19), alienist (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 21), divine agent (level 9, ECL 14, Manual of the Plains 24), initiate of Pistis Sophia (level 10, ECL 20, Book of Exalted Deeds 64), monk (level 20, ECL 20, Player's Handbook 39), shadowcrafter (level 10, ECL 15, Underdark 43), troubadour of Stars (level 10, ECL 18, Book of Exalted Deeds 78)
Plant: Talontar blightlord (level 10, ECL 17, Unapproachable East 34), verdant lord (level 10, ECL 17, Masters of the Wild 73)
Undead: Dread necromancer (level 20, ECL 20, Heroes of Horror 84), walker in the waste (level 10, ECL 13, Sandstorm 89)
Vermin: ?
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Faithless tbe Wonder Boy
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« Reply #159 on: July 11, 2011, 04:44:34 PM » |
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Q53 What are the easiest ways, without LA, to lose the humanoid type, without becoming either undead or construct? As far as I know, the only non-humanoids that fit the bill are Elans, Killoren, Neraph, and Dragonwrought Kobolds, and the only ways to become other races are fairly high level classes (Contemplative, Monk, etc). Is there anything I'm missing?
Here's a list I put together a while back. It's probably missing some stuff Ways to Play a Non-Humanoid for +0 ECL
+0 ECL Non-Humanoid Base Races
Aberration: Daelkyr halfbood (Magic of Eberron 37), elan (Expanded Psionics Handbook 9), synad (Complete Psionic 139)
Animal: ?
Construct: Warforged (Eberron Campaign Setting 20), warforged scout (Monster Manual III 193)
Dragon: ?
Elemental: ?
Fey: Duskling (Magic of Incarnum 10), faun (Deities and Demigods 133), jermlain (Monster Manual II 131), killoren (Races of the Wild 102)
Giant: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: Anthropomorphic [bat, lizard, monkey, rat, raven, toad, weasel] (Savage Species 214), lupin (Dragon Compendium 18), muckdweller (Serpent Kingdoms 71), tibbit (Dragon Compendium 21)
Ooze: ?
Outsider: Neraph (Planar Handbook 12)
Plant: ?
Undead: ?
Vermin: Hairy spider (Monsters of Faerun 79, see 3.5 update booklet)
+0 ECL Templates That Change Type
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: ?
Dragon: ?
Elemental: ?
Fey: Unseelie fey (living; Dragon Compendium 222)
Giant: ?
Humanoid: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: ?
Outsider: ?
Plant: ?
Undead: Necropolitan (humanoid, monstrous humanoid; Libris Mortis 114)
Vermin: ?
Feats That Change Type
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: ?
Dragon: Dragonwrought (kobold; Races of the Dragon 100)
Elemental: ?
Fey: ?
Giant: ?
Humanoid: Human heritage (human-descended; Races of Destiny 152)
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: ?
Outsider: Otherworldly (deep imaskari, elf, spirit folk; Player's Guide to Faerun 41)
Plant: ?
Undead: ?
Vermin: ?
Non-Humanoid Racial Classes You Don't Have to Take Levels In
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: ?
Dragon: ?
Elemental: ?
Fey: Feytouched (Savage Progressions)
Giant: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: ?
Outsider: Aasimar (Savage Progressions), tiefling (Savage Progressions)
Plant: ?
Undead: ?
Vermin: ?
Classes That Change Type
Aberration: ?
Animal: ?
Construct: Green star adept (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 41), renegade mastermaker (level 10, ECL 15, Magic of Eberron 81)
Dragon: Dragon disciple (level 10, ECL 15, Dungeon Master's Guide 183)
Elemental: Elemental archon (level 10, ECL 15, Faiths and Pantheons 190), elemental savant (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 32)
Fey: Heartwarder (level 10, ECL 15, Faitha and Pantheons 196), spirit shaman (level 20, ECL 20, Complete Divine 14), swanmay (level 10, ECL 15, Book of Exalted Deeds 76), wildrunner (level 9, ECL 14, Races of the Wild 139)
Giant: ?
Humanoid: ?
Magical Beast: ?
Monstrous Humanoid: ?
Ooze: Oozemaster (level 10, ECL 15, Masters of the Wild 67)
Outsider: Acolyte of the skin (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 19), alienist (level 10, ECL 15, Complete Arcane 21), divine agent (level 9, ECL 14, Manual of the Plains 24), initiate of Pistis Sophia (level 10, ECL 20, Book of Exalted Deeds 64), monk (level 20, ECL 20, Player's Handbook 39), shadowcrafter (level 10, ECL 15, Underdark 43), troubadour of Stars (level 10, ECL 18, Book of Exalted Deeds 78)
Plant: Talontar blightlord (level 10, ECL 17, Unapproachable East 34), verdant lord (level 10, ECL 17, Masters of the Wild 73)
Undead: Dread necromancer (level 20, ECL 20, Heroes of Horror 84), walker in the waste (level 10, ECL 13, Sandstorm 89)
Vermin: ?
This is perfect! It's exactly what I was looking for, thanks! |
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