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Endarire
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« on: May 10, 2011, 03:11:13 AM » |
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There was a similar thread on BG's Min/Max board about obvious things 3.5 is missing.
I'm curious what you'd most want to be able to do by the rules, however obvious.
1: Classes with class features so valuable that I want to take that class at every level. Artificer and Druid are good examples of this.
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Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future. Speaking of which: Don't even need TO for this. Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu]. Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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AleksanderTheGreat
That monkey with the orange ass cheeks
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 03:13:42 AM » |
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2: Play and have fun at it.
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Optimizing is the antithesis of roleplaying because it takes focus away from the important parts of the game. I'm inclined to disagree. People work hard on there characters, there personality, back ground, appearance, so forth. No one wants there character that they have invested time, energy, thought, and probably emotion in to be killed because they didn't take strong enough feats or skills or spells or what have you. |
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Shadeseraph
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 05:10:04 AM » |
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2: Play and have fun at it. 3: A set of classes flexible enough to allow me to play any character concept while keeping the character viable. |
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I hate mouth breathing fuckwits who go around spouting lies, even after being corrected on those lies, and that bait mods into helping to defend their wrongness and fail. I also hate the MBFs that don't understand the meaning of words, and that can't get a fucking clue.
Hey! I like spouting lies. It's very entertaining to observe how people on the internet are buffing their small egos by declaring victories over some stupid MBFs.  Also - I hate people who use too smart words that I don't understand.  Hi Welcome Go fuck yourself, because others won't do it for you. Stop flirting you two.  |
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RobbyPants
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 08:07:37 AM » |
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3: A set of classes flexible enough to allow me to play any character concept while keeping the character viable.
That would be good. 4) Diplomacy (and other social combat rules) that work. 5) A better explained way for adjudicating illusions. 6) A skill system that kept skills interesting and viable past low levels, and that didn't work on ranks, so everyone could be on the RNG at all levels. |
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My balancing 3.5 compendiumElemental mage test gameQuotesIt is a shame stupidity isn't painful. Totally true. Historians believe that most past civilizations would have endured for centuries longer if they had successfully determined Batman's alignment. Why are so many posts on the board the equivalent of " Dear Dr. Crotch, I keep punching myself in the crotch, and my groin hurts... what should I do? How can I make my groin stop hurting?" I suggest carving "Don't be a dick" into him with a knife. A dull, rusty knife. A dull, rusty, bent, flaming knife. Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
Steve: You underestimate my power!
Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: **** I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet. When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!" Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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veekie
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 08:13:41 AM » |
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Combat more in line with fictional motifs, rather than ending in under half a minute, with everyone using their finishing moves in the opening round Too tall an order, just reduce rocket tag.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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Amechra
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 01:24:53 AM » |
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8) Be badass without relying on a magic-type system.
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Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn." Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn." Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn." Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me." On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me. probably over on "Off-topic". might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post. This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu". |
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Frost Wolf
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 05:51:50 AM » |
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Class free characters.
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Agita
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 06:59:30 AM » |
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10) Lift a house with a (non-epic) spell.
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oslecamo
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2011, 07:06:47 AM » |
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8) Be badass without relying on a magic-type system.
Eeerr, that's already doable. Even a straight up medium-high level fighter can fall out of mountains, swim in lava and cut tanks in half while eating bullets for breakfast. People tend to forget that it isn't like melee is nerfed in D&D, it's simply that magic is very grossly overpowered. Pretty much any "badass" character from any other seting would be curbstomped by a D&D caster, short of reality warpers like TTGL that can throw galaxies as shurikens. And even then it would be a stalemate. 10) Lift a house with a (non-epic) spell.
Oh please that's an easy one. Animate objects with CL 16 for a gargantuan-sized house and then give it a fly buff.  |
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veekie
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 09:15:59 AM » |
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11) Vaporise a town with Evocation pre epic.Its one of the reasons I got into RPGs in the first place! |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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Garryl
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2011, 03:27:58 PM » |
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oslecamo
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2011, 03:39:55 PM » |
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She takes 4 rounds (24 sec) to cast it, and then says it is the strongest spell of all Black Magic. A sure kill for great wyrm dragons. That's epic magic right there. Also hadn't you just claimed a few posts ago that you didn't like rocket tag? Alternatively, Apocalypse from the Skies, wich clearly says it can level down forests and tople mountains. |
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Tequila Sunrise
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2011, 04:22:00 PM » |
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12) Play a competent dual-wielder that doesn't involve rogue levels.
I know there're maneuvers and PrCs for this, but while I'm spending my character options to become a decent dual-wielder, Greatsword Guy is spending his options to become awesome.
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Bauglir
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 05:23:01 PM » |
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I want to be able to cut a mountain in half with a masterwork greatsword. Ideally as an anthropomorphic frog, but I'm not too picky.
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So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.
In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.
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Vicerious
Barbary Macaque at the Rock of Gibraltar
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 07:22:31 PM » |
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As it happens, there is a d20 conversion for Slayers by Guardians of Order. According to that book, the Dragon Slave is (effectively) a 9th level spell: long range, 100 ft spread, 2d6 damage per caster level (explicitly no cap), Fort for half damage. Boom. |
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"A witty saying proves nothing." --Voltaire
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veekie
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 12:57:12 AM » |
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She takes 4 rounds (24 sec) to cast it, and then says it is the strongest spell of all Black Magic. A sure kill for great wyrm dragons. That's epic magic right there. Also hadn't you just claimed a few posts ago that you didn't like rocket tag? Alternatively, Apocalypse from the Skies, wich clearly says it can level down forests and tople mountains. Its the area, not the damage!I want huge, dramatic areas! |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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oslecamo
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 05:54:10 AM » |
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Its the area, not the damage!I want huge, dramatic areas!
Again, apocalypse from the skies, that deals damage over an area of miles. |
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veekie
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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 06:36:52 AM » |
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Costing an artifact per shot is a bit cruel though.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 02:50:49 PM » |
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Costing an artifact per shot is a bit cruel though.
Eschew Materials, since artifacts have no listed cost. Also, shadowcraft mage, or spell to power erudite. |
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