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This is in part a call for a tier system for feats, which somewhat already exists. (I disagree with these prices.) I'm interested in the effects, not the prereqs of these feats. Me-Battle Jump ( Unapproachable East) -Dragonfire Inspiration ( Races of the Dragon) -Fiery Burst ( Complete Mage) -Improved Initiative =Martial Stance ( Tome of Battle) -Martial Study ( Tome of Battle) -Psicrystal Affinity ( Expanded Psionics Handbook) -Sun School ( Complete Warrior) |
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Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future. Speaking of which: Don't even need TO for this. Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu]. Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 02:43:21 AM » |
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I like Jotunbrud for tripping builds.
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Monks are pretty much the best designed class ever.
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Ras F
Barbary Macaque at the Rock of Gibraltar
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 03:14:14 AM » |
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Linked Power (Complete Psionic)
Shock Trooper (Complete Warrior)
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Life gives you lemons? Then you better fucking learn Citromancy.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2011, 03:27:30 AM » |
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Insidious Magic (Player's Guide to Faërun)
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JohnnyMayHymn
Bi-Curious George
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2011, 03:28:14 AM » |
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Font of inspiration (dungeonscape)
invisible spell (cityscape)
improved binding (tome of magic)
natural spell (core)
otherworldly
dragonwrought
So many to choose...
Oh, almost forgot dinosaur wrangler.
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My (sometimes offensive) Web Comic Faux BlastCan you find the Wumpus? (Hint: start with the spoiler....) ...........  |
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godzilla5939
Domesticated Capuchin Monkey
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2011, 03:28:33 AM » |
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Obtain Familiar
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Saxony
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My avatar is from the anime "Pani Poni Dash!".
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2011, 03:37:59 AM » |
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Divine Metamagic (Complete Divine page 80)
Fell Animate (Libris Mortis page 26)
And especially combining them. First level zombies with a human is so sweet.
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If I say something about real world physics, and someone disagrees, assume I am right 90% of the time. This number goes up to 100% if I am late night posting - trust me, my star dust sibs.
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Shiki
King Kong
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2011, 03:46:51 AM » |
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Summon Elemental (Complete Mage)
Mindsight (Lords of Madness)
Darkstalker (Lords of Madness)
Able Learner (Races of Destiny)
Craft X (Various)
Swift Hunter (Complete Scoundrel)
Travel Devotion (Complete Champion)
Dragon Wild Shape (Draconomicon)
Improved Familiar (Beguiler) (Shining South)
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SneeR
Bi-Curious George
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Sneering
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2011, 03:48:46 AM » |
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Nyph's Kiss from Complete Champion is definitely my favorite. Any social character MUST have it at first level.
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The answer to everything: SneeR I don't know if the designers meant you to take Skill Focus for every feat.
Sounds a little OP.
The monk is clearly the best class, no need to optimize here. What you are doing is overkill.
It's like people who have no idea what a turn signal is. They ruin it for everyone else.
When another driver brandishes a holy symbol and begins glowing with divine light, seek cover or get spattered with zombie brains. I do not see what is so complicated about this. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2011, 03:49:43 AM » |
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Blessed by Tem-Et-Nu (Sandstorm)
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Monotremeancer
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2011, 03:50:31 AM » |
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Blessed by Tem-Et-Nu (Sandstorm)
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+1 But still Assume Supernatural Ability (SSp) |
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Who cares for realism when you can be awesome?
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DavidWL
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 03:56:02 AM » |
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Font of inspiration (dungeonscape), invisible spell (cityscape), improved binding (tome of magic), natural spell (core), otherworldly, dragonwrought
So many to choose...
Oh, almost forgot dinosaur wrangler.
Summon Elemental (Complete Mage), Mindsight (Lords of Madness), Darkstalker (Lords of Madness), Able Learner (Races of Destiny), Craft X (Various), Swift Hunter (Complete Scoundrel), Travel Devotion (Complete Champion), Dragon Wild Shape (Draconomicon), Improved Familiar (Beguiler) (Shining South)
+1 to all of the above.
For power/minions:- leadership, undead leadership, draconic cohort, improved cohort, loyalty's reward
For gear- mercantile, ancestral relic
for casting madness- reserves of strength, initiate of mystra, craft contingent item, craft wonderous item, echoing spell, disguise spell, invisible spell, miser with magic, uncanny foresight
dragons / shapeshifters/etc.- alternate form, flyby attack / improved flyby attack, mindsight
for psuedo casting / weird casting builds:- planar touchstone (catalogues of enlightenment) - magic in the blood
sneaks/ skillmonkeys- darkstalker - able learner Best, David |
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Some Cool Quotes: Non-PC activities like out of combat healing should be left to wands and NPCs. It's not fun to play a walking wand of CLW. Likewise, being a combat wall is not a viable PC role. A Wall of Force could do that.
-Sort of, but you left out the important note that a Wall of Force does it better. The most powerful character is the one that you actually get to play. I often have to remind people not to underrate divination. The ability to effectively metagame without actually metagaming beats the ability to set things on fire more times than not.
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TenaciousJ
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 08:53:56 AM » |
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Divine Metamagic - metamagic generally feels unusable unless you get a reducer, and this is one of the easiest reducers to work with
Devotion Feats - The interaction between the feats and domains in particular is what I like best. They're basically Cleric Bonus Feats that in general beat the pants off Fighter Bonus Feats. My favorites are Travel Devotion and Trickery Devotion.
Natural Spell - really should be a class feature
Linked Power - break the action economy into tiny pieces
Battle Blessing - The ranger and similar classes need something like this too imo.
Nymph's Kiss - Pretty much the best skill feat available.
Shifter Feats - Not because they are strong. I like the flavor. I don't even think Shifters would be overpowered if they got a bonus shifter feat every 3 or 4 levels.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 09:51:03 AM » |
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Improved Control Shape (3.0 MM): Not because it's a great feat, far from it! It actually purely makes those who take it worse off by forcing natural lycanthropes to make Control Shape checks to change form. Oh, and only Natural lycanthropes can take the feat!
For actually useful feats? Up the Walls (XPH). Stand on ceilings at level 1!
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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jeffrie
Barbary Macaque at the Rock of Gibraltar
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nondescript young man over there for hire.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 12:33:22 PM » |
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I know there are a lot of very powerful feats, but i just love: Quick Recon: Benefit: You can make one Spot check and one Listen check each round as a free action!  You also gain a +2 bonus on initiative checks. Combine with Dex bonus, Improved Initiative and. . Insightful Divination:Benefit: When you cast a divination spell, you gain an insight bonus equal to the spell's level + 1 on initiative checks and an equal insight bonus on the first save you make within the next 24 hours. For an intimidating amount of "go first".  +2+3 +4+1+5= +15 Initiative with free action listen/spot. Certainly not op, but not bad for a start. Probably try to add scent, though i don't think that's a feat. |
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"That's one for the good guys.
Current score: Evil 923,472,810, Good 1."
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2011, 01:04:15 PM » |
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If it weren't such a pain because of prerequisite maneuvers, I'd say Martial Study (Sudden Leap) into Martial Stance (Hunters Sense) to grab scent.
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YAY! I get to go to the SPECIAL hell!
"The picks aren't breaking through, sir!"
"Alright men, time to break out the greatswords!"
"You may not make money being a bad-ass!"
-My DM
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Akalsaris
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 01:23:54 PM » |
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I like:
Imperious Command, DoTU
Master of Poisons, DoTU
Dreadful Wrath, PGtF
Law Devotion, CC
Cloudy Conjuration, CM
Fey Heritage/Presence/Legacy, CM
Minor Shapeshift, CM
Summon Elemental, CM
Residual Magic, CM
I'll stop there, but I'm kind of surprised at how many CM feats I really like.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2011, 01:49:15 PM » |
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i thought of a couple more...
Dual Strike (Miniature's Handbook)
Lightning Maces (Complete Warrior)
Touch of Hate (Player's Guide to Faerun)
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Sobolev
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2011, 02:25:21 PM » |
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Off the top of my head:
Knowledge Devotion
Mindsight
Darkstalker
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Sha'ir HandbookBinder HandbookQuote from: Negative Zero on November 04, 2009, 02:16:14 AM In my humble opinion, CO is haberdashery. Some say we're mad, but we can all agree we're hatters. Yes, we have potential to make very sophisticated hats, very fancy hats, be they dark or light. But the truth is that the color of the hat does not come from the group of us - our community doesn't directly produce hats. We simply give average head circumferences, list current fashion trends, and point out some shiny, obscure baubles to add to the latest hat line.
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AleksanderTheGreat
That monkey with the orange ass cheeks
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Dumbass. o_o
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2011, 04:03:24 PM » |
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Nyph's Kiss from Book of Exalted Deeds is definitely my favorite. Any social character MUST have it at first level.
Fixed that for you. My choice is simple - Leadership. |
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Optimizing is the antithesis of roleplaying because it takes focus away from the important parts of the game. I'm inclined to disagree. People work hard on there characters, there personality, back ground, appearance, so forth. No one wants there character that they have invested time, energy, thought, and probably emotion in to be killed because they didn't take strong enough feats or skills or spells or what have you. |
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