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« Reply #120 on: August 09, 2011, 09:22:35 AM » |
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Zargon the returner (18 HD, lawful evil outsider, capable tank / brute), female hulk of zoretha (16 HD, evil outsider), male hulk of zoretha (16 HD, evil outsider), Father Llymic (24 HD, mediocre brute, reliant on snow and darkness) and Aspect of Sertrous (23 HD, obyrith demon, excellent divine caster killer amongst other things), all from Elder Evils, are missing from the guide.
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« Reply #121 on: August 09, 2011, 09:59:32 AM » |
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oh god I just committed myself to updating the guide to include 40 HD creatures didn't I
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« Reply #122 on: August 09, 2011, 10:02:52 AM » |
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Zargon the returner (18 HD, lawful evil outsider, capable tank / brute), female hulk of zoretha (16 HD, evil outsider), male hulk of zoretha (16 HD, evil outsider), Father Llymic (24 HD, mediocre brute, reliant on snow and darkness) and Aspect of Sertrous (23 HD, obyrith demon, excellent divine caster killer amongst other things), all from Elder Evils, are missing from the guide.
The shard of Pandorym is, IIRC, also an Outsider. I'm not sure offhand how many HD it has (I want to say 20), but it's an excellent caster, as I recall. 50HD sadly puts it a little out of binding range... Father Llymic, however, is only 24 HD... |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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« Reply #123 on: August 12, 2011, 07:03:00 PM » |
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Consider a Conjurer/Master Conjurer/Archmage with caster level boosters. On the extreme end, consider a Conjurer3/Master Conjurer2/Red Wizard10/Master Conjurer+4/Archmage1. That's CL47 from classes alone, assuming Circle Magic.
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Hood - My first answer to all your build questions; past, present, and future. Speaking of which: Don't even need TO for this. Any decent Hood build, especially one with Celerity, one-rounds [Azathoth, the most powerful greater deity from d20 Cthulu]. Does it bug anyone else that we've reached the point where characters who can obliterate a greater deity in one round are considered "decent?"
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« Reply #124 on: August 15, 2011, 03:52:19 AM » |
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Consider a Conjurer/Master Conjurer/Archmage with caster level boosters. On the extreme end, consider a Conjurer3/Master Conjurer2/Red Wizard10/Master Conjurer+4/Archmage1. That's CL47 from classes alone, assuming Circle Magic.
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« Reply #125 on: August 15, 2011, 04:38:00 AM » |
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I belive that some time ago I had an argument here (or in another thread? Ask a simple question maybe?)The point I was unaware of was that singular Elder Evils are like Abominations and are considered to have Divine Rank 0 so cannot be bound via Gate. Thus I believe Father Lymic is either way out of binding range as is Zargon regardless of HD...  |
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« Reply #126 on: August 15, 2011, 09:11:24 AM » |
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Consider a Conjurer/Master Conjurer/Archmage with caster level boosters. On the extreme end, consider a Conjurer3/Master Conjurer2/Red Wizard10/Master Conjurer+4/Archmage1. That's CL47 from classes alone, assuming Circle Magic.
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« Reply #127 on: August 15, 2011, 10:40:05 AM » |
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I belive that some time ago I had an argument here (or in another thread? Ask a simple question maybe?)The point I was unaware of was that singular Elder Evils are like Abominations and are considered to have Divine Rank 0 so cannot be bound via Gate. Thus I believe Father Lymic is either way out of binding range as is Zargon regardless of HD... Close, but not quite. They share some traits with Abominations, but a Divine Rank is not one of them. The full list of Elder Evil traits never mentions a Divine Rank, nor does it say they cannot be Planar Bound/Gated/etc. Still, I would suggest not bothering with Gate as that would be calling in far, far more than this guide is meant to handle. |
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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« Reply #128 on: August 15, 2011, 11:12:16 AM » |
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I belive that some time ago I had an argument here (or in another thread? Ask a simple question maybe?)The point I was unaware of was that singular Elder Evils are like Abominations and are considered to have Divine Rank 0 so cannot be bound via Gate. Thus I believe Father Lymic is either way out of binding range as is Zargon regardless of HD... Close, but not quite. They share some traits with Abominations, but a Divine Rank is not one of them. The full list of Elder Evil traits never mentions a Divine Rank, nor does it say they cannot be Planar Bound/Gated/etc. Still, I would suggest not bothering with Gate as that would be calling in far, far more than this guide is meant to handle. You can try to call anything with Gate. You just can't control it if it has too many HD, has a DR, or is "unique"... Deities can also control whether the portal even opens or not, if they are within their divine realms, etc, and all uncontrolled creatures can choose whether to step through the Gate or not. So even if you can't control them, you could just open a Gate to something nasty, as an invitation for them to come savage everything nearby.  |
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?
Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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« Reply #129 on: August 15, 2011, 11:36:01 AM » |
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No, I was meaning to not include Gate callings in this guide. Sorry that wasn't clearer.
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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« Reply #130 on: August 15, 2011, 07:08:06 PM » |
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Okay, here's my commitment to finishing. No, I'm not going to include Infernals or Hecatonchieres or Paragon Half-Far Spawn Axolotls or all the other sorts of nasty, epic evil beasties way outside the scope of the original guide.
I will, however, include the Elder Evils who are reasonably possible to call (Father Llymic, the Hulks, Sertrous, and Zargon) and finish the four aspects from the Fiendish Codex II that I originally rated too high - Belial, Baalzebul, Mephistopheles, and Asmodeus, simply for completionist's sake. If I'm feeling frisky, maybe I'll include Eltab and Malkizid.
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