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« Reply #620 on: October 02, 2011, 07:22:23 PM » |
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But F/SN spoils F/Z. You just can't win. F/SN tells you in very broad detail the results of F/Z (only two Masters/Servants are described at all), with outright misleading information and events which seem inexplicable out of context; reading them in the order they were written makes you curious about Zero's cast, while starting with the prequel just throws Shirou at you out of nowhere. (urgh  ) F/Z gives far more spoilers on things all over F/SN's plot. Plus there's power creep, so reading it first would make F/SN seem a little underwhelming. |
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My workDeviantArtCurrent gamesThe tier system in a nutshell: Tier 6: A cartographer. Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman. Tier 4: An expert marksman. Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left. Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy. Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
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« Reply #621 on: October 02, 2011, 07:26:51 PM » |
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You have read all three routes of Fate/stay night though, right? *draws shotgun*
The F/SN spoilers start about a minute in and don't stop. I have, yes. Didn't stop me recognizing that the UBW didn't make sense on its own merits. But F/SN spoils F/Z. You just can't win. Eh, it's a prequel. You know in outline how it's going to end, but it was written with that assumption in mind. I don't think "spoil" is the word to use. |
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"But the delight and pride of Aulë is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work." Bardiche/Raising Heart OTP. |
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« Reply #622 on: October 03, 2011, 05:38:16 AM » |
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New library loli? AndFate/stay zero? Argh, won't have time to watch them now! Negima |
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« Reply #623 on: October 03, 2011, 07:51:51 AM » |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #624 on: October 03, 2011, 08:10:40 AM » |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #625 on: October 03, 2011, 08:24:03 AM » |
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"You'll still be living in caves." "Hell I don't mind that." befriend (v.): to use mecha-class beam weaponry to inflict grievous bodily harm on a target in the process of proving the validity of your belief system. |
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Prime32
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« Reply #626 on: October 03, 2011, 09:24:55 AM » |
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Negima Fate: I know kung fu karaoke. Negi: Show me. Does Akamatsu just want to make Akira Ishida sing that song? |
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My workDeviantArtCurrent gamesThe tier system in a nutshell: Tier 6: A cartographer. Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman. Tier 4: An expert marksman. Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left. Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy. Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
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« Reply #627 on: October 03, 2011, 11:58:19 AM » |
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But F/SN spoils F/Z. You just can't win. Eh, it's a prequel. You know in outline how it's going to end, but it was written with that assumption in mind. I don't think "spoil" is the word to use. That was the joke, yes. |
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« Reply #628 on: October 03, 2011, 12:24:42 PM » |
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« Reply #629 on: October 03, 2011, 12:35:16 PM » |
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« Reply #630 on: October 03, 2011, 01:09:21 PM » |
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Fanservice for the author's wife females. Don't ask why girls walk around with cat ears and 99% of magic vaporizes their clothes whitout doing any more harm. Don't ask why the boys suddenly turn into bishonen teenagers. Fate/Stay zero |
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« Reply #631 on: October 03, 2011, 04:48:28 PM » |
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Lol at the Biblioprincesses trashtalking each other. "Do you still wet the bed?" Those zombies were awfully patient, apparently just standing in one spot while all the drama was going on. I wanna know what exactly that book of Epic Turning was. Did Madoka Dantalian Unnamed Library Girl write it? Did Huey write it? The reading scene: - Children playing on a beach at night, a biplane flies past.
- An old woman and two children sitting by the fire - the moon is visible, so they're possibly the same children.
- Dalian and an old man in what appears to be her book room; the latter is presumably Wesley Disward. Closeup of his hands on his cane - are those patterns similar to Dalian's lock or am I overthinking things?
- Dalian at a weird angle - I think she's leaving a wreath at a gravestone.
- Dalian on a battlefield with someone who appears to be friggin' Joan of Arc. Previous keykeeper?
- Dalian staring, cutting to Dalian looking down (in both senses of the word).
- Dantalian and another pink-haired girl prancing around in togas, with Greco-Roman architecture in the background. Closeup on Dantalian's face.
- Dantalian trying to stop the minotaur from passing, surrounded by flames. Possibly related to the library's warden
- Dantalian opens a box, and shadows come out. Outside, pink light blasts into the sky.
- (Dantalian/Huey dialogue)
- A woman in white with silver hair and blue eyes looking out on a futuristic city with a strange expression. Flam?
Library Loli 12 Oh, and given that DnS is pretty episodic, the block of stories it adapted wasn't continuous. Presumably some will be adapted in season 2, but it also makes that novel translation more interesting...
Meanwhile, there's a manga version to read! Now with 100% more tsundere! |
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« Reply #632 on: October 03, 2011, 11:02:17 PM » |
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But F/SN spoils F/Z. You just can't win. F/SN tells you in very broad detail the results of F/Z (only two Masters/Servants are described at all), with outright misleading information and events which seem inexplicable out of context; reading them in the order they were written makes you curious about Zero's cast, while starting with the prequel just throws Shirou at you out of nowhere. (urgh ) F/Z gives far more spoilers on things all over F/SN's plot. Plus there's power creep, so reading it first would make F/SN seem a little underwhelming. Also, F/Z has several things that are just plain inconsistencies with FSN, so you really aren't going to get entirely spoiled. |
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« Reply #633 on: October 03, 2011, 11:33:20 PM » |
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Also, F/Z has several things that are just plain inconsistencies with FSN, so you really aren't going to get entirely spoiled.
That's to be expected of any prequel/sequel. Or even the primary work itself. |
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« Reply #634 on: October 04, 2011, 12:26:46 AM » |
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Shirou is probably too terrible at magic  Though given Ilya's reaction I'm guessing the 'more efficient' transfer methods still work even in the more comedic universe of Prisma Ilya |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #635 on: October 04, 2011, 02:29:09 AM » |
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Also, F/Z has several things that are just plain inconsistencies with FSN, so you really aren't going to get entirely spoiled.
That's to be expected of any prequel/sequel. Or even the primary work itself. Just out of the top of my head: Shirou is probably too terrible at magic Though given Ilya's reaction I'm guessing the 'more efficient' transfer methods still work even in the more comedic universe of Prisma Ilya |
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Prime32
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« Reply #636 on: October 04, 2011, 08:03:56 AM » |
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Also, F/Z has several things that are just plain inconsistencies with FSN, so you really aren't going to get entirely spoiled.
That's to be expected of any prequel/sequel. Or even the primary work itself. Just out of the top of my head: |
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My workDeviantArtCurrent gamesThe tier system in a nutshell: Tier 6: A cartographer. Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman. Tier 4: An expert marksman. Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left. Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy. Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
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« Reply #637 on: October 04, 2011, 10:38:59 AM » |
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Stats page for black berserker looks the same.
What's really inconsistent is that all traced weapons get ranked down. Berserker needs a weapon A rank or higher to stab. Archer can get by it by a broken phantasm rankup.
Shirou, on the other hand, has no reason for a degraded caliburn to magically regain a rank.
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« Reply #638 on: October 04, 2011, 11:14:05 AM » |
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Archer doesn't get cut up almost in half in route 2 because it's the only route where Shirou manages to tell Saber to stop on time. That's actually what activates the whole 2nd route!Gilgamesh's imba armor is fully suported by the game, since he can just stand there and let Saber hit him whitout dodging and he doesn't take any damage (at least for a time, it's sugested Saber would eventually break trough). Illya (aka Holy Grail conduit) blasts him directly and it just bounces off from the armor. Plus hey, what's the use of being king if you don't/can't show off your pimped gold armor to mongrels? Also TML reminds me of another great incosistency, that route 1 Shirou can just chop off Berseker's arm with Calliburn when Excalibur wielded by Saber didn't even scratch his skin. |
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« Reply #639 on: October 04, 2011, 11:32:01 AM » |
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^^
Its how much prana you jammed into the sword I guess.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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