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« Reply #320 on: June 21, 2011, 01:40:40 PM » |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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« Reply #321 on: June 21, 2011, 02:13:27 PM » |
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« Reply #322 on: June 21, 2011, 02:30:42 PM » |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #323 on: June 22, 2011, 05:07:01 AM » |
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« Reply #324 on: June 22, 2011, 12:59:10 PM » |
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There are. All the girls who're are alive, so you have Kyoko, Yuma and Mami. Sayaka is demonstrating the same sort of activity that will put her on the path to be a magical girl as well, this time with full knowledge of what it means to sign up. With this knowledge they would be apt to take more care of magic usage, and theres enough girls to give Walpurgis a run for her money.
Without Madoka, there is no profit in Kyubey maneuvering them to their deaths, though Homura would have immediately gone for a new cycle. Plot wise, it removes the two powerful plot devices of the anime neatly, without breaking continuity, no doubt in future loops Homura assassinates Oriko before she ever gets Yuma into the scheme, in order to protect Madoka.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
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« Reply #325 on: June 22, 2011, 01:23:46 PM » |
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There are. All the girls who're are alive, so you have Kyoko, Yuma and Mami. Sayaka is demonstrating the same sort of activity that will put her on the path to be a magical girl as well, this time with full knowledge of what it means to sign up. With this knowledge they would be apt to take more care of magic usage, and theres enough girls to give Walpurgis a run for her money.
Without Madoka, there is no profit in Kyubey maneuvering them to their deaths, though Homura would have immediately gone for a new cycle. Plot wise, it removes the two powerful plot devices of the anime neatly, without breaking continuity, no doubt in future loops Homura assassinates Oriko before she ever gets Yuma into the scheme, in order to protect Madoka.
I have to admit though, watching that shard splatter QB's head is immensely satisfying. Eerr, Kyubey never maneuvered them to their deaths. He just had to worry about geting them to make the contract, then he just had to sit back and watch them colapse either by being nomed, stabbed by another magic girl or pure despair at the ugly real world. Sooner, later, they all break except for Homura and Madoka-god. In particular, the longer they take to break, the more energy they yield so no reason to rush. Even when Madoka rewrote the universe, magic girls were still colapsing left, right and center despite Kyubey geting no profit from it anymore.
Sayaka in particular always breaks. When Homura tried to warn her, in the "normal" continuity because of boyfriend problems and on the rewritten universe despite having the backup of three other magic girls. She's a weak link, in particular when she discovers that she's turned into a pretty lich (which was not revealed on this continuity, just that they eventually turn into witches).
Similarly Mami has a record of geting softer and softer with allies so there's a good chance she slips and gets nomed. That or simply snaping and start shooting her own teammates. Very unstable link.
So we probably end up with Kyoko and Yuma. One has serious lack of experience, the other quite reckless, chances aren't very good.
Good point on Homura now starting every new loop by killing Oriko. I had tought about exactly that when I was reading but then forgot it.
Which makes one wonder if Homura doesn't keep a list of "things to take care off right away when I start a new loop".
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« Reply #326 on: June 22, 2011, 01:59:45 PM » |
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While he did not do in Mami, he did push Sayaka and Kyoko both to die faster, since he wanted Madoka-who-has-all-the-power-he-needs to contract.
Sayaka's Case:
Root causes
- Heroic Personality. When stressed, she tends to go all out and hasten corruption via magic depletion. It's a pretty deep part of her, given that what we've seen of her in Oriko has her battling familiars WITHOUT any knowledge or power, just a candy cane and a ribbon-stick ripped from the Barrier itself.
- Ms NTR. She likes Kamijou, but can't spit it out, and Hitomi will nab him, causing a classic teenage girl breakdown.
- As an extension of her paladin complex, she will reject help and the methods of other less than heroic sorts.
Kyubey's nudge: Telling her how she can be more heroic and also rubbing in the pretty lich aspect(that is an awesome phrasing btw). The 'disregard pain, let regeneration handle it all' method taxes her magical reserves, not to mention the superspeed enhancement she started using.
What is different:
- This time she would go into it(if she does indeed contract), knowing the dangers and at least the consequence of magical depletion. Due to her heroic personality(much like Mami), she would strive to avoid Witchdom, at least. Possibly she might kill herself before she corrupts all the way.
- She'd have support. While she does not trust Kyoko(ruthless facade) and Homura(ruthless for anything not-Madoka), she does trust Mami(heroic type just like her), and probably Yuma(shes cute, who can resist?). This'd help avoid fatal isolation.
- Madoka is dead. It'd be more profitable for the girls to defeat Walpurgis, collect her grief seeds and then inevitably corrupt. They taste sweeter that way, and it helps if you don't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
EDIT: - ALSO, Hitomi owes Sayaka her life. Knowingly so, unless they got memory wiped. She probably wouldn't yoink her savior's boyfriend, would she?
Kyouko's Case:
Root cause: Frustration mostly.
Kyubey's Nudge - Nudge, nudge, hint, hint, maybe Witch can be saved. This is a totally unnecessary push, except he wanted to force Madoka into contracting.
What's different: Madoka is dead, theres no reason to nudge her. Better to wait for the natural end.
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #327 on: June 22, 2011, 02:19:13 PM » |
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« Reply #328 on: June 22, 2011, 03:57:54 PM » |
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« Reply #329 on: June 22, 2011, 04:02:39 PM » |
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Bleach seems to be getting better for now. Current villain is apparently Bleach improved significantly once it got back to the Karakura gang. |
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« Reply #330 on: June 22, 2011, 04:27:45 PM » |
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Bleach seems to be getting better for now. Current villain is apparently Bleach improved significantly once it got back to the Karakura gang. Bleach improved when Captain Broken stopped being plot-relevant. |
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« Reply #331 on: June 22, 2011, 05:07:54 PM » |
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Bleach seems to be getting better for now. Current villain is apparently Bleach improved significantly once it got back to the Karakura gang. Bleach improved when Captain Broken stopped being plot-relevant. It improved periodically whenever they had the KaraKanonji filler, regardless of Aizenvolvment. There was a long stretch of time where I only watched the filler episodes. |
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« Reply #332 on: June 22, 2011, 05:17:53 PM » |
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The means: "I've never seen it happen before. You never know what crazy things magical girls can do"(both factual statements, combined to generate a false conclusion)
*after the event*
"Well of course it was impossible"
Consider the return on investment:
Madoka at the point, has enough magical potential to exceed the output of every girl on the planet once she flips Witch. As long as she contracts, this is inevitable.
Madoka is not contracting, due to Homura's interference.
Sayaka is allowing Madoka to simply hold to the status quo. After all, her friend has the Witch situation under control.
Truth of prettylich is exposed by accident. Girls are traumatizing.
Sayaka unstable, encourage her towards risky behavior to harvest energy potential before she gets herself killed. Also pushes Madoka towards contracting because of Walpurgis hazard approaching.
Sayaka turns to witch. Main energy harvest from subject complete.
Madoka still not contracting, Homura and Kyoko may be able to defeat Walpurgis, removing the easiest motivation for Madoka to contract.
Subject Kyoko exhibiting irrational actions towards Subject Sayaka. Potential Witchification candidate.
Nudge Kyoko into going through with her insane and obviously suicidal plan.
Subject Kyoko performs as expected, being eliminated. Unfortunately Subject's irrational behavior prevented energy harvest as well as secondary energy harvest. However, return on investment is still positive. Homura is not able to defeat Walpurgis alone, Madoka will contract as a logical consequence. Either Homura will ask for help(rational) or she will be killed(irrational), Madoka will contract to save the city. The resultant energy return will be far greater than that lost by Kyoko's wastage by orders of magnitude.
Madoka contracts. Fffff-
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #333 on: June 23, 2011, 08:31:17 AM » |
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The mind transcends the body. It's also a little cold because of that. Please get it a blanket. I wish I could read your mind, I can barely read mine. "Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."
"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
-Ibuki Suika, on overkill
To sumbolaion diakoneto moi, basilisk ouranionon.
Epigenentheto, apoleia keraune hos timeis pteirei.
Hekatonkatis kai khiliakis astrapsato.
Khiliarkhou Astrape!
There is no higher price than 'free'. "I won't die. I've been ordered not to die." |
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« Reply #334 on: June 23, 2011, 11:32:55 AM » |
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First and foremost, YAY SETCHAN! |
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« Reply #335 on: June 23, 2011, 11:43:44 AM » |
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« Reply #336 on: June 23, 2011, 02:03:07 PM » |
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Go read Change 123.
NOW.
It's effin' delicious!
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« Reply #337 on: June 23, 2011, 06:19:11 PM » |
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Go read Change 123.
NOW.
It's effin' delicious!
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« Reply #338 on: June 24, 2011, 06:29:22 PM » |
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My workDeviantArtCurrent gamesThe tier system in a nutshell: Tier 6: A cartographer. Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman. Tier 4: An expert marksman. Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left. Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy. Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
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« Reply #339 on: June 28, 2011, 06:07:04 AM » |
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I fully aprove of this one. Sword and loli are one! On other news, the "base" Madoka manga ended. Quite interesting that at the end Madoka's sacrifice just delayed the inevitable end of the world under the power of negative feelings. Helps explaining the end of the anime as well. |
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