Tohron
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« on: February 23, 2011, 09:49:32 PM » |
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So I was thinking about some SRD-only abuse and came upon this idea.
Affinity-field is a mainstay of all sorts of infinite looping, but the problem is that most buffs don't stack. The solution? Abuse some ambiguities in the magic item creation rules.
To start, you must be a 17th level psion. Get yourself and your psicrystal PAOd into the sticks that someone else will be making into wands (let's call this guy the artificer). Once the artificer is nearly finished, seperately manifest Affinity field through yourself and your psicrystal. As long as the artificer is imbuing the wands with a 3rd level or lower power, it is able to be passed back and forth through the field, resulting in you and your psicrystal getting imbued infinity times - and since the imbuing is treated like an instantaneous effect, it should last after the field wears off. As best I can tell, the wand creation rules never specify that the 'baton' used has to be inanimate, so this should be technically legal.
The result? Well, if Mr. Artificer Guy wants to use all those wand-charge-using abilities he's got, you can just pass him your psicrystal and let him go nuts. Beyond unleashing crazy direct damage via Magic Missile et al, this also allows spamming low level BC spells like Entangle - when there are 40 versions active, odds are good they'll roll a 1 at least once. Then there's summoning hordes of low level monsters, throwing down volumes of Explosive Runes - if there's anything else you can think of, feel free to contribute.
As an added bonus, a side effect of being infinity instances of wands is that even if you're hit with an effect like Disjunction, at least 5% of the wands will save, and 5% of infinity is still infinity, negating this generally nasty anti-item ability.
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Tshern
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 09:59:07 PM » |
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Can't you already use wands as many times as you like with Unfettered heroism and action points?
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Bauglir
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2011, 10:01:41 PM » |
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Yes, but you are not, yourself, the wand. There's no reason you couldn't change the fluff a bit and be a sandwich firing an infinite number of sausages.
EDIT: I'm not commenting on the validity, as I'm not 100% sure on it. I just wanted to bring you that mental image.
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So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.
In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 03:21:40 AM » |
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As best I can tell, the wand creation rules never specify that the 'baton' used has to be inanimate, so this should be technically legal.
Only permanent magic items (as opposed to single-use items or those with charges) can be intelligent. (This means that potions, scrolls, and wands, among other items, are never intelligent.) |
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Bauglir
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2011, 10:12:47 AM » |
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Hm, but you're not an intelligent magic item (you don't have an Ego score, etc). Although, I suppose applying strict, strict, strict RAW is wise here, and it only says "intelligent".
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So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.
In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.
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Talore
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2011, 12:19:57 PM » |
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Hm, but you're not an intelligent magic item (you don't have an Ego score, etc). Although, I suppose applying strict, strict, strict RAW is wise here, and it only says "intelligent".
So in other words, you're only allowed to be turned into a wand if you're an idiot? Makes sense  |
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nijineko
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2011, 12:44:54 AM » |
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i was pretty sure that a wand cannot be made from something that is already a magic item. a poly-ed creature or item is counted as magical so long as the poly effect is in place, hence the reason that shrink item cannot be used on creatures or things poly-ed into an item.
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koiulpoi
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2011, 11:40:23 PM » |
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Yes, but you are not, yourself, the wand. There's no reason you couldn't change the fluff a bit and be a sandwich firing an infinite number of sausages.
 Bringin' back the Meatmancer with STYLE. |
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Littha
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2011, 04:24:51 AM » |
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i was pretty sure that a wand cannot be made from something that is already a magic item. a poly-ed creature or item is counted as magical so long as the poly effect is in place, hence the reason that shrink item cannot be used on creatures or things poly-ed into an item.
Actually: A nonmagical object cannot be made into a magic item with this spell. Magic items aren’t affected by this spell. A PAO'd object specifically cannot be a magic item. |
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Bauglir
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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 08:46:31 AM » |
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A PAO'd object specifically cannot be a magic item.
To complete that quote, "When it is PAO'd. The rules are silent on what you can do with it after you PAO it." |
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So you end up stuck in an endless loop, unable to act, forever.
In retrospect, much like Keanu Reeves.
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Littha
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2011, 12:41:29 PM » |
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To clarify:
PAO can't be cast on a magic object and any object resulting from PAO isn't magical.
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nijineko
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2011, 12:37:45 AM » |
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however, there is the lingering aura of transmutation, plus a custserv (yes, i know) ruling that transformed items cannot be affected by shrink as they are counted as magical, even if they cannot be transfored into a magical object. (the question involved regarded shrinking, and turned out a glove of shrinking gets around that anyway, if within weight limit.)
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