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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2011, 05:11:32 PM »

Given that it doesn't state it's subject to ASF (which only affects arcane spells), it's most likely meant to be treated as a divine spell. Regardless, it works fine with an Illumian.
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2011, 05:14:07 PM »

About anyspell (wraithstrike).. it doesn't work.
Reason?
looks like RI beat me to it. From the wording it sounds like it is an arcane spell when you cast it (Wraithstrike), but that would only eliminate it from DMM and not the ability to cast the spell.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2011, 05:18:14 PM »

Found it...because of what the Errata file says. I was looking at DMM in CD and was like WTF?
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2011, 05:56:05 PM »

Attack bonus of +34:
Level 10 psychic warrior
+7 (BAB)
+8 Strength (Cave Troll form via Nature Mantle metamorphosis)
-1 Size
+7 (Overchanneled strength of my enemy)
+4 (offensive precognition)
+5 (Soulbound Weapon)
+2 (Charge Attack)
+2 (flanking with metamorphosis'd psicrystal)

He can make touch attacks with Deep Impact as he likes.

Would anyone like me to stack on some more bonuses? I can do it.
+1 (Weapon Focus (Soulbound Weapon))
+1 (Greater Weapon Focus (Soulbound Weapon))
+1 (High Ground)
+1 (Physical acceleration, AKA psionic haste from Untapped Potential)
+1 (Graft weapon)
+2 if the psicrystal uses Aid Another.

That's +41 JUST using class features (powers and feats) and the tactical advantages of higher ground, charging, Aiding Another, and flanking (with your psicrystal).

Let me revamp that to, I think I can do it. Big Grin

You forgot Expansion for an extra +4 size to Strength.
And a -4 to attack bonus for being Gargantuan? Sure it grants extra damage, but it sucks on to-hit.
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2011, 06:01:50 PM »

+1 (Weapon Focus (Soulbound Weapon))
+1 (Greater Weapon Focus (Soulbound Weapon))
+1 (High Ground)
+1 (Physical acceleration, AKA psionic haste from Untapped Potential)
+1 (Graft weapon)
+2 if the psicrystal uses Aid Another.

That's +41 JUST using class features (powers and feats) and the tactical advantages of higher ground, charging, Aiding Another, and flanking (with your psicrystal).

Let me revamp that to, I think I can do it. Big Grin

You forgot Expansion for an extra +4 size to Strength.
And a -4 for being Gargantuan? Sure it grants extra damage, but it sucks on to-hit.

I keep forgetting about size penalties to attack.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2011, 06:03:52 PM »

I'd get a luckstone or an ioun stone, but I don't think you can afford it at level 10.

Who wants to start tossing in equipment? The weapon is taken by the whole Soulbound Weapon thing, but I'm sure we can come up with something.

[edit] I just realized you can't usually take both sub-levels for a psychic warrior because it requires 2 bonus feats at level 2. Simple fix: research a totally different power called warrior's metamorphosis that works just like metamorphosis, but it's level 3 and won't turn you into objects.
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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2011, 06:19:28 PM »

I'd get a luckstone or an ioun stone, but I don't think you can afford it at level 10.

Who wants to start tossing in equipment? The weapon is taken by the whole Soulbound Weapon thing, but I'm sure we can come up with something.

[edit] I just realized you can't usually take both sub-levels for a psychic warrior because it requires 2 bonus feats at level 2. Simple fix: research a totally different power called warrior's metamorphosis that works just like metamorphosis, but it's level 3 and won't turn you into objects.

Discard Soulbound Weapon, take a Martial Discipline weapon, and drop a feat into Martial Stance for a constant +4 to hit. You only lose 1, and keep Metamorphosis. And if you're a Warforged, it's 1 hour/level, I believe.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2011, 06:23:20 PM »

I'd get a luckstone or an ioun stone, but I don't think you can afford it at level 10.

Who wants to start tossing in equipment? The weapon is taken by the whole Soulbound Weapon thing, but I'm sure we can come up with something.

[edit] I just realized you can't usually take both sub-levels for a psychic warrior because it requires 2 bonus feats at level 2. Simple fix: research a totally different power called warrior's metamorphosis that works just like metamorphosis, but it's level 3 and won't turn you into objects.

Discard Soulbound Weapon, take a Martial Discipline weapon, and drop a feat into Martial Stance for a constant +4 to hit. You only lose 1, and keep Metamorphosis. And if you're a Warforged, it's 1 hour/level, I believe.
Except you lose +1 to hit. This is sad-making. We'll just research a power.

Plus it requires Martial Study. Not a BAD thing (and it can be used to nab an additional +2 or so to hit, albeit only 1/encounter), but still.
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2011, 06:34:11 PM »

I'd get a luckstone or an ioun stone, but I don't think you can afford it at level 10.

Who wants to start tossing in equipment? The weapon is taken by the whole Soulbound Weapon thing, but I'm sure we can come up with something.

[edit] I just realized you can't usually take both sub-levels for a psychic warrior because it requires 2 bonus feats at level 2. Simple fix: research a totally different power called warrior's metamorphosis that works just like metamorphosis, but it's level 3 and won't turn you into objects.

Discard Soulbound Weapon, take a Martial Discipline weapon, and drop a feat into Martial Stance for a constant +4 to hit. You only lose 1, and keep Metamorphosis. And if you're a Warforged, it's 1 hour/level, I believe.
Except you lose +1 to hit. This is sad-making. We'll just research a power.

Plus it requires Martial Study. Not a BAD thing (and it can be used to nab an additional +2 or so to hit, albeit only 1/encounter), but still.
Lyc, I <3 you, but I think you've gone past the threshold that was established. You can stand to lose +1.

Anyways, another +20 minimum level 10.

Aasimar Sorcerer 4/Eldritch Knight 3/Abjurant Champion 3, needs one flaw, but we'll go with two.
Feats are Versatile Spellcaster, Heighten Spell, Combat Casting, Power Attack, Improved Bull Rush, Shock Trooper. Doesn't have Pounce, so probably has a mount created by phantom steed and makes charge attacks with thunderlance or something. I don't know. But he has 8 BAB, Polymorph with access to the Outsider type as a valid Polymorph type, etc. Preferable form is Warden Archon (27 Strength). Or it could turn into a Treant for 29 Strength, whichever. Can hit +20 with just a +4 Str item, Polymorph, and wraithstrike enough times per day that it might as well be at-will.

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2011, 06:39:21 PM »

Lyc, I <3 you, but I think you've gone past the threshold that was established. You can stand to lose +1.
But...but...but...

It's +1!

Where do we go from here? Lose Greater Weapon Focus? Graft weapon? Physical acceleration?!?!

It's a slippery slope, man.

Also, you lose Weapon Focus (and therefore, Greater Weapon Focus), since Soulbound Weapon gives it for free. So that's +3 you lose.

See? Slip-sliding down that slippery slope. OF DOOM.
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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2011, 06:43:54 PM »

Lyc, I <3 you, but I think you've gone past the threshold that was established. You can stand to lose +1.
But...but...but...

It's +1!

Where do we go from here? Lose Greater Weapon Focus? Graft weapon? Physical acceleration?!?!

It's a slippery slope, man.

Also, you lose Weapon Focus (and therefore, Greater Weapon Focus), since Soulbound Weapon gives it for free. So that's +3 you lose.

See? Slip-sliding down that slippery slope. OF DOOM.

I still think keeping metamorphosis is worth dropping soulbound weapon, even though it's Soulknife+ in a single ACF and therefore hilarious.
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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2011, 06:44:33 PM »

Lycanthromancer, do you have an opinion on pyrokineticist/variant dipping?
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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »

Lycanthromancer, do you have an opinion on pyrokineticist/variant dipping?
The pyrokineticist isn't huge on the power scale, but it's way up there on the coolness rating. It'd be better if it encouraged manifesters to actually take it by granting manifester levels. The acetokineticist and sonokineticist are better on the power scale, but not on the coolness rating.

Also, the -kineticist PrCs are nifty for swordsages, for sure.

As far as 'variant dipping,' that totally depends on what you're talking about, exactly.

I still think keeping metamorphosis is worth dropping soulbound weapon, even though it's Soulknife+ in a single ACF and therefore hilarious.
Research means you can have both? And if you're starting at a higher level, Expanded Knowledge.
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« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2011, 07:22:52 PM »

Pryo is great for a one level dip. It grants a ranged touch attack that works like a melee weapon also. Which means you can use Power Attack AND Sighting Gloves. After level 3 no one cares about base damage anyways, so pick a weird type like Sonokineticist and hope you don't run into Sonic Immune creatures. Or ask your DM to let Sanctified One of Kord's Holy Fire to work on Spell Like abilities and therefore Psi Like Abilities.

And because the Fire Lash is a Psi-Like ability, you can use Spell-Like ability feats on it. Like Empower Spell Like Ability. Which works when you cast it, therefore, three times a day when you summon your lash all of your attacks deal 50% extra damage.

IRRELEVANT BUT COOL: Heat Death is a Full Attack action. Not Full Round. Why does that matter? Shadow Pounce Heat Death! Gotta get lots of Psionic Focuses to blow though.
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« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2011, 07:24:29 PM »

I was in fact referring to the Aceto/Cryo/Electro/Sono -kineticists, dipping just for the lash ability, or maybe a little deeper if there's something really desirable.

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And because the Fire Lash is a Psi-Like ability, you can use Spell-Like ability feats on it. Like Empower Spell Like Ability. Which works when you cast it, therefore, three times a day when you summon your lash all of your attacks deal 50% extra damage.

This is something that I had pondered in the past. Does it really make all your attacks deal 50% extra damage, or is it just (assuming medium) 1d8+50% before other modifiers?
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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2011, 07:54:45 PM »

I was in fact referring to the Aceto/Cryo/Electro/Sono -kineticists, dipping just for the lash ability, or maybe a little deeper if there's something really desirable.

[Edit:]
And because the Fire Lash is a Psi-Like ability, you can use Spell-Like ability feats on it. Like Empower Spell Like Ability. Which works when you cast it, therefore, three times a day when you summon your lash all of your attacks deal 50% extra damage.

This is something that I had pondered in the past. Does it really make all your attacks deal 50% extra damage, or is it just (assuming medium) 1d8+50% before other modifiers?
I'd imagine it's just 1d8*1.5. However, note that the effects of the feat work so long as you have the lash formed, so Maximizing and Empowering it it would lead to, essentially, 1d4+8 fire damage every time you hit, rather than 1d8, until the fire lash disappears.

I'm sure we could do something with this.
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« Reply #36 on: February 10, 2011, 08:07:50 PM »

The psychic warrior above that grabs Weapon Finesse can turn into a shimmerling (Fine-sized fey, 22 Dex), so we have the following:

Level 10 psychic warrior
+7 (BAB)
+6 (Dex)
+8 (Size)
+2 (animal affinity)
+4 (offensive precognition)
+5 (Soulbound Weapon)
+2 (Charge Attack)
+10 (Compression -- +8 for size categories [I'm going conservative here; otherwise it's +24], +2 for Dex bonus)
+1 (Weapon Focus (Soulbound Weapon))
+1 (Greater Weapon Focus (Soulbound Weapon))
+1 (High Ground)
+1 (Physical acceleration, AKA psionic haste from Untapped Potential)
+1 (Graft weapon)
+2 if your psicrystal uses Aid Another.

That's +53, no items.

What do Underfoot Combat and Confound the Big Folk do again?

[edited for television numerical accuracy]
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« Reply #37 on: February 10, 2011, 08:31:09 PM »

UFC has a tumble requirement, lets you move into and fight from a 2 sizes larger creatures square with perks to AC.

CtBF also has a tumble requirement, and has various benefits. 2nd round in a shared square makes the opponent flat-footed and gives a critical confirmation roll bonus. When fighting defensively (various methods) in a shared square, attacks might hit your opponent instead of you. 2nd round in a shared square allows you to make an opposed trip check on your opponent using Str or Dex, while denying them their size benefit, if you succeed you may make a free follow up attack. You may not be counter-tripped if you fail.

Hopefully those descriptions are general enough. As a Psy-War you'll need to acquire tumble ranks if you hope to qualify, however I suspect it will be trivial to acquire. What's the damage output from that build like?
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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2011, 08:31:56 PM »

+8 (Size)
+10 (Compression -- +8 for size categories [I'm going conservative here; otherwise it's +24], +2 for Dex bonus)
What? Are you implying he's size Fine--?
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2011, 08:35:37 PM »

+8 (Size)
+10 (Compression -- +8 for size categories [I'm going conservative here; otherwise it's +24], +2 for Dex bonus)
What? Are you implying he's size Fine--?
Pretty much. Or Fine++.
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