ILM
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« on: April 15, 2011, 01:04:21 PM » |
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Gate's almost the perfect spell, except every time you gate in a Solar or some other plane-shattering monster, you lose XP. Sure, in a regular game you'd make it back (likely in that very fight), but I'm wondering if there's any way to waive that completely.
Here's my failed attempts so far:
- A certain reading of the rules would make it possible with a Shadowcraft Mage, but the subschool is Calling rather than Creation. Any way to change that?
- A Thought Bottle would mitigate the cost. The way I see it, you have to pay 500 XP every time you use the Thought Bottle, so you'd still be losing XP every time, albeit less.
- Candles of Invocation, but a) you can't cheese up your caster level to gate in bigger, badder stuff, and b) it's gold rather than XP you're now hemorrhaging, which is still not optimal.
Anything else then?
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Novea
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 01:20:01 PM » |
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I may be a noob at this, but our DM allowed this item at 12k http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Gadgeteer%27s_Ring_(3.5e_Equipment) The wearer of this ring may pay gold any time they would normally have to pay Experience at an exchange rate of 1 exp. = 1 gold piece. |
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KellKheraptis
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 01:27:26 PM » |
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Dweomerkeeper's Supernatural Spell, Linked Power on an Erudite, Supernatural Transformation on my Omnicaster Erudite (who has Gate and is using all powers as Su abilities), SCM using a greater effect of a Shadow Miracle. Off the top of my head, anyhow. Oh, or a Red Wizard's Sim who also has 20th level slots casting it, as it doesn't care if it loses XP (and can likewise be easily replaced by the Red Wizard using his 3rd level Incantatrix ability to first Twin the casting of Simulacrum with Metamagic Effect).
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CrimsonDeath
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 02:10:41 PM » |
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That's quite a bargain. NPCs generally charge 5gp/xp they spend. It also facilitates wealth multiplication through crafting, since XP is generally a hard limiter on that. Kensai would absolutely love it-- a +10-equivalent weapon for 4000gp. |
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Novea
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 06:29:19 PM » |
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It's a homebrew item, so I would talk to your DM before using it. It's normally used for creating items, but my DM allowed me to use it for spells as well. He's deciding if it is a 1xp to 1 gold or more.
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snakeman830
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 01:08:27 AM » |
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Any caster can cast gate with no XP cost.
They just can't call critters with it then.
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I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle. The book doesn't even exist! Quotes: By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life. hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea. If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit. See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere. |
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CantripN
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 05:07:33 AM » |
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There's a legal, simple, answer, too. Truenamer. He can open all the Gates he likes, almost at-will, at level 20.
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Read, every day, something no one else is reading. Think, every day, something no one else is thinking. Do, every day, something no one else would be silly enough to do. It is bad for the mind to be always part of unanimity.
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Lycanthromancer
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 04:29:19 PM » |
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Take it as a Spell-Like Ability using archmage, then the Supernatural Transformation feat. Bada-boom. No XP cost.
Also, take Leadership, nab a minion. Have him cast it.
Planar Bind an efreeti, Wish for a scroll of gate (of the appropriate CL) and cast from that.
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nijineko
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two strange quarks short of a graviton...
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 08:22:14 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
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Lycanthromancer
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2011, 08:28:35 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
Only works for a spell-to-power erudite, really. |
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KellKheraptis
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 10:14:55 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
Only works for a spell-to-power erudite, really. Though it works REALLY FUCKING WELL.  Getting into my shtick now  |
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Lycanthromancer
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2011, 10:15:52 PM » |
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Yay no XP costs or AoOs, PR or dispelling!
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nijineko
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two strange quarks short of a graviton...
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 12:56:21 AM » |
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i was just surprised that i managed to mention it before you. ^^
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Lycanthromancer
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2011, 02:44:14 PM » |
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i was just surprised that i managed to mention it before you. ^^
I have to leave something for everyone else to say, don't I? Otherwise, it wouldn't be much of a conversation. |
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strider24seven
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2011, 02:59:12 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
Only works for a spell-to-power erudite, really. Actually it works for any psionic character with any amount of magic-psionics transparency. Psionic powers are considered psi-like abilities (check the SRD "Psionic Powers Overview"). 1) Psi-like~~Spell-like. 2) Supernatural Transformation. 3)  4) Profit! |
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Lycanthromancer
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2011, 03:05:48 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
Only works for a spell-to-power erudite, really. Actually it works for any psionic character with any amount of magic-psionics transparency. Psionic powers are considered psi-like abilities (check the SRD "Psionic Powers Overview"). 1) Psi-like~~Spell-like. 2) Supernatural Transformation. 3) 4) Profit! But how do they access Gate? |
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 04:43:29 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
Only works for a spell-to-power erudite, really. Actually it works for any psionic character with any amount of magic-psionics transparency. Psionic powers are considered psi-like abilities (check the SRD "Psionic Powers Overview"). 1) Psi-like~~Spell-like. 2) Supernatural Transformation. 3) 4) Profit! Biggest hurdles with that are 1) Technically transparency only applies to "spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items", which doesn't list feats as a general case. There's a specific exception for Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability. 2)The "inherent" in supernatural transformation makes it only apply to racial abilities. Unfortunately, I don't have a cache of the wizards site from when they said that - it was a response to the "can you supernatural transform warlock abilities" questiong. 3) How do you get gate? Anyway, Master of the Secret Sound (dragon 297) . Capstone is a 1/day SLA that can duplicate any spell ninth level or lower as a full round action. |
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Lycanthromancer
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2011, 05:22:01 PM » |
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2)The "inherent" in supernatural transformation makes it only apply to racial abilities. Unfortunately, I don't have a cache of the wizards site from when they said that - it was a response to the "can you supernatural transform warlock abilities" questiong.
I don't suppose adding a 13th time quoting where the SRD stated that psionics also require innate talent would do much good here, would it? |
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The_Mad_Linguist
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2011, 06:19:40 PM » |
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2)The "inherent" in supernatural transformation makes it only apply to racial abilities. Unfortunately, I don't have a cache of the wizards site from when they said that - it was a response to the "can you supernatural transform warlock abilities" questiong.
I don't suppose adding a 13th time quoting where the SRD stated that psionics also require innate talent would do much good here, would it? Nope, since it doesn't work for warlocks either, and they have the same text. Aslo, psionics aren't innate unless they're racial. See: Psionic Powers
Creatures with psionic powers are similar to creatures with racial spellcasting ability. They have the ability to manifest powers just as a member of a psionic character class can (and can activate psionic items accordingly).
Creatures with the ability to use powers are subject to the same rules for manifesting powers that characters are, but they are not actually members of a class and do not gain any class abilities unless otherwise specified.
Creatures with psionic powers generally emulate the manifesting ability of a particular psionic class. When such a creature takes levels in that same class, it can stack its innate psionic powers and its class power progression together. "innate psionic powers" and "class power progression" are different. |
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strider24seven
Barbary Macaque at the Rock of Gibraltar
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2011, 10:19:36 PM » |
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go psionics. supernatural transformation on that. ^^
Only works for a spell-to-power erudite, really. Actually it works for any psionic character with any amount of magic-psionics transparency. Psionic powers are considered psi-like abilities (check the SRD "Psionic Powers Overview"). 1) Psi-like~~Spell-like. 2) Supernatural Transformation. 3) 4) Profit! Biggest hurdles with that are 1) Technically transparency only applies to "spells, spell-like abilities, and magic items", which doesn't list feats as a general case. There's a specific exception for Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability. 2)The "inherent" in supernatural transformation makes it only apply to racial abilities. Unfortunately, I don't have a cache of the wizards site from when they said that - it was a response to the "can you supernatural transform warlock abilities" questiong. 3) How do you get gate? Anyway, Master of the Secret Sound (dragon 297) . Capstone is a 1/day SLA that can duplicate any spell ninth level or lower as a full round action. 1) That is a hurdle I cannot overcome easily. 2) Lycanthromancer has a much better solution than I can come up with. 3) Spell-to-Power Erudite learns Psychic Chirurgery and teaches you Gate. Or you research a custom power that duplicates the gate power. Or with extreme transparency, Geomancer would let the Psi-Like/Spell-like ability apply to any other spells he possesses from other classes. |
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