Gnaughty Gnome Tavern (OOC)

[archangel.arcanis]

swapping AC for distracting shot is fine.

Sorcerers gain bonus spells known based on INT exactly as one would normally gain bonus spells per day. Your modifier is the highest level you get a bonus spell, for every 4 levels below that the number of bonus spells increases by 1. For Example: Sorc with int of 20 has 1 bonus spell known of levels 2-5 and 2 bonus spells known of level 1. You don't get to learn these extra spells until you would normally be able to cast them.

Silverbrow is fine. I have to read the others before I can  or 

[Shadowhunter]

The Air Blast mthor is talking about is a vestige ability, Otiax IIRC.
It's a melee touch attack that can be used up to 10 feet away and deal 2d6 points of damage as a standard action and when BAB hits 6 you can use it as a full attack action.
Whether or not you can Power Attack with it (which I could see would be pumping more power into the wind with less control of direction) is a DM call.

I assume he's talking about the same thing being finesse-able so that he can use DEX instead of STR for the to-hit.

[mthor]

Thank you shadowhunter. Yes Otaix is a 5th level vistige which I obviously cant get yet but the reason I as is because I'm going to have to decide if I want to go sneaky, strong or BC binder. All three are fun but Otaix, power attack, plus sudden strike from Malphas is just badass. The reason for the weapon Finesse is so if I do go sneaky I don't have to be Uber MAD. And the Power attack is much less broken then say Wraith strike because binder only gets 3/4 bab and it cant add it's STR to the damage in the first place.

[Mandoor]

This might help anybody who as the ability to sneak attack or is a close in melee fighter.  I have distracting shoot which makes the enemy flat-footed when I hit them with a arrow.  Everybody ally in melee gets a +2 to attack and if they can sneak too.

[Epimetheus]

You may not want to allow dragonfire inspiration, after all. There may be times when a standard action will add +5d6 sonic damage to everyone's weapon dmg for 5 rounds. [Not necessarily a Tier 3 thing at lvl 3.]

To keep it more toned down, I could just stick with Inspire Courage alone, which would sometimes get up to be +4 to attack and damage.

[Shadowhunter]

Arcanis, if you'll need to check out one of the non-ToM vestiges for whatever reason (I know we're responsible for keeping track and being honest and I will, but I'm just saying) then I have a link in my signature to a page where you can read about them.
Could be good to know.

mthor, if you're considering Finesse-style Binder, take a good look at Paimon. You ought to have access to him at the level we start at (you did take Improved Binding, right? ) and he's one fine player.


Myself, I'm going for a "reasonably good on all fronts"-approach, hence my stat line. I don't like to specialize too much when it comes to Binders.
Well, except for the fact that Zceryll is kind of semi-brokenly good and I wouldn't mind to take the Favored Vestige line with her. But that's going to be a later issue, it's a high level vestige which I won't be seeing for a long time and one I admit is a valid target for some nerf-batting.

Epimetheus, how do you manage 5d6?
WoC for 2, SotH for 1, Badge of Valor for 1 and Inspirational Boost for 1?
How does the swift action from inspirational boost interact with the immediate action from the badge?

[Epimetheus]

1 (Bard) + 1 (Mandolin, +1 to atk, -1 to dmg/saves) + 1 (Inspirational Boost) + 1 (Song of the Heart) + 1 (Badge of Valor)

Swift action to use Inspirational Boost
Std action to use Inspire Courage->Dragonfire Inspiration (+4 to attack +2 to dmg -> +4d6 sonic dmg)
Immediate action (sacrificing next turn's swift action) to activate Badge of Valor, which retroactively pushes up the DFI boost by another +1d6 sonic dmg, as it's magnitude is derived from IC.

So the total is +5d6 sonic damage for every attack, which is pretty ridiculous. {It can't be done all the time due to limited spells/musics/uses of BoV, but...} Words of Creation probably isn't allowed, although this technique doesn't need further boosting.

[archangel.arcanis]

Yesterday was a long day at work and today doesn't seem much better. I'll try and get to everything as soon as I can.

[Hallack]

It's all good.  Take the time you need.  We don't want to burn you out before we get started 

[archangel.arcanis]

for the air attack Finesse is good, but no PA. Just taking a stance of logic on that one.

I'd rather not have DFI with the +5d6 I can handle the +4 Att & Dmg though.

I'll try and look at the online vestiges during lunch, the only one I know anything about is the summoning one that bumped binders up a tier.

any other questions I missed?

[Shadowhunter]

Nice find on the Mandolin, but I'm still a bit concerned that immediate actions doesn't work the way you want them to work.
Taking an immediate action outside your turn borrows your swift action next round, but using an immediate action on your turn borrows your swift action that round.

Using an immediate action on your turn is the same as using a swift action, and counts as you swift action for that turn.

Oh and the vestige that bumps them up a tier (something I can't argue against anymore with good conscience) would be Zceryll.
It's by far the best vestige out there for general adventuring. I have a few questions about how "she" should be handled, but as I said, that's not something I need to concern myself with until I hit level 11, so...


mthor, something we discovered in the Mythic Sagas campaign:
Binders can auto-win any drinking contest with Naberious bound. You see, alcohol is treated like a poison in DnD. A poison that does temporary ability damage. Naberious also gives you an auto-10 when bluffing for, let's say, acting like you're drunk or something.
Not that I think it will be of much use to us here, I thought I'd share that somewhat amusing tidbit.

[Hallack]

Warblades with Iron Heart Surge also kick ass in drinking contest.  I've actually used it in a game

[Flay Crimsonwind]

Warblades with Iron Heart Surge also kick ass in drinking contest.  I've actually used it in a game

Sounds like we just found a way to take out our first "Big Bad Boss" encounter; challenge the leader to the barbarian hordes to a drinking contest for his men. See how many wizards we can kill with a barbarian army.

Anyways, I'm kind of going for fun and versatility more than power. I could have gone full wilder, but I gave up a bit of pp and such for a wilder 2 / warblade 1, who will be up soon.

[McPoyo]

Backstory should be up before Sunday afternoon. It's been hectic at work with a fire and other things.

[raith0]

Trying to work my backstory out as well

[mthor]

Actually just because I like screwing with people the day before the campaign starts I'm going to go for Anima mage touch attack spells with sneak attack/sudden strike.

[mthor]

never mind the int/chrisma based casting doesnt lend itself to this build...... so back to binder.

[raith0]

Still fleshing out the last half of the build.  not sure if i am going to go Abjurant champion to get the better caster level for durations and what not or 10 levels of swiftblade.  also half tempted to add in a level of Spellsword so i can cast in mithril twighlight fullplate without failure.  tho it would require armored mage for the duskblade side i think away from books at the moment and dont remember when they get medium armor off the top of my head.

any suggestions on if the build should go
duskblade 6/ Suel 4/ Swiftblade 10

or

Duskblade 6/ Suel 4/ Abjurant champion 5/ Spellsword 1/ Swiftblade 4
?

[mthor]

So I'm heading off 2 work but I may change up my character when I get home. Round 11 ish say ( central time) so don't take this for granted

[Hallack]

raith, don't go Swiftblade.  You'll end up making me jealous hehe.  Okay fine, go ahead.  I love that prestige class.

At this time I'm figuring I'll likely stick straight Spirit Shaman.  It's nothing over the top but is solid enough with some decent abilities.  Though, I'll let the campaign color future decisions on classes so my direction could change.